So, Wandavision?

[MarkB]

Or... well, I could see a big green Professor Hulk sitting down with Wanda for a heart-to-heart. That would be amusing.

I dunno, he zoned out pretty fast when Tony tried that in Iron Man 3.

 

[Morrus]

Cool. Thanks.

Regarding the lack of involvement of other MCU characters in this crisis in New Jersey: the MCU has been pretty good at eventually letting us know why they didn't call in the Avengers or whatever, even if the explanation is pretty hand-wavey. (How did the Hulk get to the Grandmaster's planet? Hey just flew off in that quinjet at the end of AoU...into space?...and came across a wormhole? Okay cool.)

The Winter Soldier was the one which really struck me -- giant flying aircraft carriers attacking Washington DC and Iron Man etc. are nowhere to be seen.

 

[Tonguez]

The Winter Soldier was the one which really struck me -- giant flying aircraft carriers attacking Washington DC and Iron Man etc. are nowhere to be seen.

After Iron man 3 Tony Stark had surgery in China to remove the shrapnel in his heart, I assume he then goes to Malibu to recover. So when the events of Winter Soldier happen Stark might still be in recovery and unable to respond?

 

[billd91]

The Winter Soldier was the one which really struck me -- giant flying aircraft carriers attacking Washington DC and Iron Man etc. are nowhere to be seen.

It is over fairly quickly. It's not like they're everywhere at once.

 

[Rune]

It is over fairly quickly. It's not like they're everywhere at once.

Also, the new helicarriers have integrated Stark technology in them. Tony knows about their development. What he doesn’t know is that they are a threat.

By the time he finds out HYDRA has taken over, Cap, Black Widow, and Falcon have probably already dealt with the problem.

 

[Umbran]

I dunno, he zoned out pretty fast when Tony tried that in Iron Man 3.

Professor Hulk is a slightly older, much wiser Hulk. Plus... Tony's a narcissistic jerk most of the time. Wanda's not.

The Winter Soldier was the one which really struck me -- giant flying aircraft carriers attacking Washington DC and Iron Man etc. are nowhere to be seen.

Most of the heroes do not spend time in D.C.

Assume Tony Stark is in Avengers Tower in NYC. To start with, there's nothing outwardly hinkey about the launch of the helicarriers. SHIELD probably launches new hardware all the time. Say it is five minutes before someone actually thinks there's something wrong, and calls Tony, or Friday informs him of the weirdness. The distance between NYC and Washington DC is over 200 miles. At Mach 1, it would take about 15+ minutes to get from one to the other, so total of 20 minutes before Iron Man can intervene.

If we discount the cuts between concurrent actions in that part of the movie, the helicarriers probably aren't in the air for 20 minutes. Iron Man arrives after it is all said and done, and can use his repulsors to cut people out of debris.

Technically, Doctor Strange could sling-ring there faster, but he hasn't had his movie yet. Plus, this is a military issue, not a magical threat. Nobody's going to call him about it.

 

[pming]

Hiya!

Fair enough. It looked like they were going for something with more nuance, etc. In the end though, if it's just going to be "comic book logic" where things like getting help aren't even mentioned...ok. I had started hoping differently, but, fine.

It sucks, because it's a big issue in the real world, and I guess I just wish writers handled it more responsibly. Sure, we've seen Stark have panic attacks, but not one mention of how it's not longer an issue. In the meantime, as someone posted up above, Avengers movies are about dealing with his unaddressed issues.

But therein lies the rub. You are placing your own expectation of what "mental health issues and help" entail. I don't know your background, however. Sorry if this sounds condescending or obvious, I don't mean it too!

Different people handle stuff differently, 'natch. For example, I was suicidal in my youth (16/17 years old. I attempted twice. First time I woke up in the hospital although I do vaguely remember a couple points leading up to it before passing out due to blood loss. Anyway, two shrinks later and some drugs for a year... didn't help much. Attempted again; woke up where I attempted, got to school, got help, hospital again. Shrink for a few months, and drugs. Didn't do much. But, I managed to figure some stuff out on my own after reading the Satanic bible (yes, I'm a Satanist, have been ever since). I'm sure the shrink helped a bit, but only insofar as he made me realize... "naaa... this isn't going to do it for me...gotta figure stuff out on my own". So I just decided "Ok. I'm done with the suicide thing". Problem solved.

I had minor Claustrophobia as a kid. Up until about 14? I think? Then I just kinda started 'ignoring it'. So, now I can go into elevators without hyperventilating and panicking; although it was never 'severe', it was... annoying and embarrassing. I KNEW it was irrational and so just learned to compartmentalize the feelings and look at them from an "outside view". To understand what my body was doing and why. Although, to be honest, wearing a mask with the hole Covid thing is causing... "issues"; so I do remove it and take a couple of deep breaths every now and then when I have to wear one (in a store, etc; oh, I'm in Canada). Makes me feel better. Again, problem solved.

Triskaidekaphobia. Had this from about 13 (lol!) up until 4 years ago when my wife died. After seeing her dead in the hospital bed I walked outside to go home. Saw a license plate that totaled 13. Thought "F you!" (always saw 13 as some 'malevolent force', so to say, even though I knew it was all in my head). Then got into the car and saw the time; again, "13". "Ok. Fine. You win". Ever since then, no problem with 13. See it, say it, write it, count it, buy 13 things, pay $13, sit in the 13th seat from the left...like water off a ducks back. Problem solved.

So, yeah. Sometimes all it takes is for the person to just talk to themselves, think about what's going on in their brain, and then just decide "Naaa. I'm done". Now, as we ARE talking about super heroes here in a completely fictional world... I have zero problem with Tony Stark having some PTSD for a while and then "getting over it". He talked to himself, Jarvis, and presumably Pepper....I'd also say he bounced things off of Bruce. He figured it out and, "problem solved".

Just saying... people are complicated and sometimes a person is fully capable of just 'fixing themselves' with the wave of a hand or two. They don't always need years of therapy and thousands of dollars in drugs and whatnot.

^_^

Paul L. Ming

 

[Umbran]

Just saying... people are complicated and sometimes a person is fully capable of just 'fixing themselves' with the wave of a hand or two. They don't always need years of therapy and thousands of dollars in drugs and whatnot.

I'm glad things worked out for you.

But I am pretty sure that's not the message they are sending. Because, it would be terribly irresponsible to make that the message to people who do need help.

 

[pming]

Hiya!

I'm glad things worked out for you.

But I am pretty sure that's not the message they are sending. Because, it would be terribly irresponsible to make that the message to people who do need help.

Thanks!

I don't think they are trying to 'send a message'. They are just trying to make an entertaining show that can help a person relax and disengage from all the stuff going on in their life. Nothing more, nothing less. If someone is looking for a movie with "a message about personal growth, emotional relationships and finding out who you are", then looking at a Marvel movie is a REALLY bad choice.

As the saying goes... sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

^_^

Paul L. Ming

 

[Tonguez]

Hiya!

Thanks!

I don't think they are trying to 'send a message'. They are just trying to make an entertaining show that can help a person relax and disengage from all the stuff going on in their life. Nothing more, nothing less. If someone is looking for a movie with "a message about personal growth, emotional relationships and finding out who you are", then looking at a Marvel movie is a REALLY bad choice.

As the saying goes... sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

^_^

Paul L. Ming

No, Marvel stories have always made a point of working in a bit of social complexity and the movies have had their various dramatic nods to PTSD and other traumas. The WandaVision writers explicitly included overwhelming grief as a motif in the story ...

sometimes a cigar does burn with hot, scarlet significance