Falcon and winter solider

[Blue]

I believe that blue serum is from the Black Widow movie.
That's why I assumed this would come out after the movie rather than Wandavision.
I think that hand symbol is referring to Flag Smasher a villain from the comics.

Wasn't blue serum what Winter Soldier took from the back of Howard Stark's car in Civil War? And was used to make the other Winter Soldiers? That's a solid character connection to Bucky as well.

Plus if we remember, the super soldier serum amplified what was already within you. Steve Rogers was that idealistic and everything and that got amplified, while Red Skull had his effect from the serum. So if that's in play it can have very different effects on who it gets administered to.

 

[MoonSong]

I felt another show that tackled racism, Lovecraft Country, really did so poorly. Plus that show's writing went off the rails almost immediately, and its message felt very heavy handed and insincere.

I don't know, to me it felt a bit unsubtle and blatant. The senator and the banker felt like they were going to turn into caricatures at any time. And Sam's sister wasn't helping with her predisposition -although this was very realistic, which is sad-. I want to see if they can handle it better.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

I don't know, to me it felt a bit unsubtle and blatant. The senator and the banker felt like they were going to turn into caricatures at any time. And Sam's sister wasn't helping with her predisposition -although this was very realistic, which is sad-. I want to see if they can handle it better.

I think the banker was more subtle than you are seeing. If I were to close my eyes and just listen to the reasons given and not know he was talking to a black man in Louisiana, I would have not heard anything out of the ordinary in that loan denial. Sure, Sam is a national hero, but his sources of income are also erratic and all over the place and not consistent enough to make regular payments. Remember also this was not just some random loan, they already had business with that bank and have a mortgage or loan or something on the family home, and they were trying to consolidate it all together and get extra money to start his sister's business. For all the bank knew, Sam was going to disappear again and there would be no one to pay back the money. That is part of the reality of the world post-Snap and return-Snap. That is a much bigger factor than whether it was racially motivated or not.

 

[MarkB]

I think the banker was more subtle than you are seeing. If I were to close my eyes and just listen to the reasons given and not know he was talking to a black man in Louisiana, I would have not heard anything out of the ordinary in that loan denial. Sure, Sam is a national hero, but his sources of income are also erratic and all over the place and not consistent enough to make regular payments. Remember also this was not just some random loan, they already had business with that bank and have a mortgage or loan or something on the family home, and they were trying to consolidate it all together and get extra money to start his sister's business. For all the bank knew, Sam was going to disappear again and there would be no one to pay back the money. That is part of the reality of the world post-Snap and return-Snap. That is a much bigger factor than whether it was racially motivated or not.

Also Sam's profession is to throw himself into extreme danger. On a purely statistical level, his percentile chances of still being around this time next year probably just barely scrape into double digits.

 

[hopeless]

I think that serum was tampered with, but until the Black Widow movie comes out there's no way to know for sure, but some theories involve it being the Red Room version that acts like the super soldier serum but leaves the recipient more gullible or at least under the control of their leader in the new Cap's case that would be Ross.
IF that is the case it will badly effect his mental state as unlike Steve Rogers he isn't as idealistic or as morally scrupulous, which is where he will likely end up fighting Bucky and Falcon.
I'm far more interested in this series than Wandavision, but now will wait for the Black Widow movie first as I think that should have been released before this.

 

[Marc_C]

We liked it. Promising start. Fun to have George St-Pierre, our local boy, in the series.

 

[MarkB]

We liked it. Promising start. Fun to have George St-Pierre, our local boy, in the series.

It was good to see him back. He was a stand-out character for his short appearance in Winter Soldier, so it'll be interesting if we get to see him more fleshed out.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

I felt another show that tackled racism, Lovecraft Country, really did so poorly. Plus that show's writing went off the rails almost immediately, and its message felt very heavy handed and insincere.

I thought the racism shown in Lovecraft Country was pretty accurate maybe even not quite as bad as it actually was. It was the early 1950's after all.

And the racism to be shown in TFATWS can afford to be subtle because it's more in line with the times.

I want to really enjoy this show and I think I will. But I'm going to definitely have to stay away from discussion boards like this one after the next few episodes.

 

[Zaukrie]

Big fan of that episode. Big fan.

 

[MarkB]

I believe that blue serum is from the Black Widow movie.
That's why I assumed this would come out after the movie rather than Wandavision.
I think that hand symbol is referring to Flag Smasher a villain from the comics.

I haven't read or heard much about the Black Widow movie, and I mostly want to keep it that way, but in the most general of general terms, do we know whether it takes place before the Blip, or during it?