Falcon and winter solider

[Marc_C]

America has a history of racial discrimination when it comes to housing and mortgages and business loans. A LONG history of it. For some of you its easy enough to say well Sam was at fault. There have been tests done by civil rights orgs who have sent a black couple in to apply for a loan / mortgage and they've been rejected only to send a white couple with the SAME EXACT income requirements and financials in and get approved.

And the entire time the bank loan officer is friendly and professional. A lot of people in power with these biases ARENT open, sneering cartoon villains. They're our children's teachers, our doctors, our bosses, our mechanics and yes...our bank loan officers.

That's part of the reality that the writers are trying to get across I think. It was something that I picked up on almost immediately and the actor playing the loan officer (deliberately) does an excellent job of being disarming and almost harmless. Hell, the character may even be unaware that his biases are coloring his decisions. It dosent make his decisions any less impactful.

I think that, and I dont mean this as a slight or slam, people might want to start getting used to viewing things from a different point of view than the mainstream. Especially as more and more writers and creators and characters of color are being put out there and are writing from real life experiences. and not writing things to make the mainstream feel better about themselves.

Facts:

• The sister said she is loosing 10$ for each 5$ she makes.
• Falcon has no stable income.
• The boat is a wreck.
• The house is mortgaged already.

Predictable Outcome:
- The banker doesn't give them a loan.

As others have said the purpose of the scene is to put Falcon into a bad position. He could be tempted to do illegal things to keep his families assets. Will he fall for it? Stay tuned!

 

[hawkeyefan]

I think that's one of the things that makes systemic racism so tricky.....it's easy to deny. Overt racism is obvious and hard to mask. But some subtle stuff like who gets a loan and who doesn't may be much easier to hide.

And while I admit, it's quite possible that's not what the scene intended to show, I do think that it was a part of it, and I expect that kind of thing to become increasingly prominent as we move forward. Just looking at the comic runs that may have inspired this show, it seems very likely.

We'll have to see how the show goes, and then maybe look back at this scene to see if later developments lend new context.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

I think that's one of the things that makes systemic racism so tricky.....it's easy to deny. Overt racism is obvious and hard to mask. But some subtle stuff like who gets a loan and who doesn't may be much easier to hide.

And while I admit, it's quite possible that's not what the scene intended to show, I do think that it was a part of it, and I expect that kind of thing to become increasingly prominent as we move forward. Just looking at the comic runs that may have inspired this show, it seems very likely.

And see, this is part of my point and view points like YOURS are ones I'm willing to engage because as you said IT IS hard to discern sometimes. But for those of us who have been subjected to it frequently and consistently its not something that we can afford to dismiss out of hand.

 

[Marc_C]

I think that's one of the things that makes systemic racism so tricky.....it's easy to deny. Overt racism is obvious and hard to mask. But some subtle stuff like who gets a loan and who doesn't may be much easier to hide.

And while I admit, it's quite possible that's not what the scene intended to show, I do think that it was a part of it, and I expect that kind of thing to become increasingly prominent as we move forward. Just looking at the comic runs that may have inspired this show, it seems very likely.

We'll have to see how the show goes, and then maybe look back at this scene to see if later developments lend new context.

Yep systemic racist is very easy to deny. That is why if you want to put that point across in a scene you have to be clear about it. That doesn't mean you have to resort to caricature or cartoon. The show FBI does it very well. There is no ambiguity. The black agents call out the BS. It's quite refreshing.

 

[trappedslider]

So the banker ask after realizing who Sam is "How do you guys make a living?" then says "his financials are all over the place" then Sam admits that they basically operated on the good will of others. Then the banker says" You couldn't have been living off of good will this whole time." then they get to The Blip and Sam says he currently has government contracts which is proof of earnings and further points out that they qualify for a SBA loan. The banker responds "Under the old terms sure, but these days with everyone just showing up, well, things tightened up."

The sister however, makes the statement "funny how things funny how things always tighten around us" implying racism and the banker responds "Easy there, I'm on your side after all he's a hero."

Even in the real world, famous people who are known for one big thing get sick of it, for awhile Chadwick actually had to tell people to stop with the Wakanda forever arms over chest.

Once they get turned down for the loan, Sam's no longer willing to indulge the guy. It seems to me that Sam had hoped that the fact that he's famous would help secure the loan.

 

[Marc_C]

Even in the real world, famous people who are known for one big thing get sick of it, for awhile Chadwick actually had to tell people to stop with the Wakanda forever arms over chest.

You are on to something. I was also thinking how the scene was also about weird Marvel fans who stop actors on the street and ask them to do 'their thing' for a selfie. Anthony Mackie is probably sick of it.

 

[hawkeyefan]

You are on to something. I was also thinking how the scene was also about weird Marvel fans who stop actors on the street and ask them to do 'their thing' for a selfie. Anthony Mackie is probably sick of it.

I would agree that the scene may also have been making some commentary on celebrity.

It's interesting that we can read such a subtext in the scene based on less than explicit information.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

And see, this is part of my point and view points like YOURS are ones I'm willing to engage because as you said IT IS hard to discern sometimes. But for those of us who have been subjected to it frequently and consistently its not something that we can afford to dismiss out of hand.

It gets deeper, or more subtle, than systemic racism, to the point of unconscious, or sub-conscious, biases. The stuff that happens without someone even being aware they are acting that way or saying those things. Wait til we really get going with the character of Monica Rambeau or Kamala Khan, then we will see the subtle sexism thrown into the mix with the racism. But if these shows are done right, while they won't have any positive impact on the real haters, because racism is all about hate and making someone less than you, hopefully there will be positive change with people and their unconscious biases, those people who do not hate, but still do or say things that make people feel less than equal.

 

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Falcon & Winter Soldier Star Confirms a Major US Agent/Captain America Difference

Falcon and the Winter Soldier star Wyatt Russell confirmed a key difference between John Walker/U.S. Agent and Steve Rogers' Captain America.

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[billd91]

Once they get turned down for the loan, Sam's no longer willing to indulge the guy. It seems to me that Sam had hoped that the fact that he's famous would help secure the loan.

Probably not because he's famous, per se. Rather, being famous, he's a known quantity for being an upstanding guy - someone you can trust to have his naughty word together and do the right thing. And someone the government counts on and so has probably been vetted by the FBI.