Falcon and winter solider

[MarkB]

I think we're overlooking something important.
When Steve received the super soldier serum he was told it amplifies what the person is from within.
In his case it turned a decent good man into an extraordinary one, in the case of the Red Skull it turned a sociopath into a terrifying monster.
Walker once he receives his version of the super soldier might not receive such an extreme reaction, but what might be niggling mannerisms now is going to become all the more obvious once he recovers from that change.
So I suspect what looks like him trying to deal with the fact he cannot fit the shoes of his predecessor once he receives the super soldier serum we're going to see either him recognising that fact or something far worse.
After all this series really should have been released AFTER the Black Widow movie as that's where their version of the super soldier serum originates from...
Now are they going to retcon that?

How are we overlooking it if it hasn't happened?

We don't know whether Walker will ever receive any version of the super soldier serum. We don't know whether the Flag Smashers gain their enhanced abilities from a super soldier serum or from some other source. And if they are using some version of that serum, we don't know whether it still functions the same way as Dr Erskine's original formula, or is a heavily modified version.

 

[Janx]

On screen, it hasn't been seen yet. I expect it'll be coming along soon, but you are correct to note it hasn't been shown.

However, I will also accept that guys with long association with the military may have a gut reaction without knowing why. We, the viewers, may get the idea he's bad news because Bucky and Sam don't take to him. It isn't quite as good as having a dog growl at Walker, but...

I've seen two signs that Walker is trouble. Despite ep2 being designed to make Walker look good.

1) he pulled a gun and shot one of the supes. Up until that point, everyone was just wrasslin'
2) at the end of the episode, he told Sam and Bucky to not get in his way with that slight hint of "menace"

Much like the racism, it's going to be hard to prove in court.

 

[MarkB]

1) he pulled a gun and shot one of the supes. Up until that point, everyone was just wrasslin'

Aside from when Sam sent Redwing in to open up with its built-in automatic rifle, you mean?

 

[hopeless]

He seems remarkably adept with that shield.
I'm wondering if he's going to be badly hurt and then get the serum or he has already received it and his actions from this point will demonstrate this?

 

[hopeless]

Surprised he let Redwing close into melee range rather than stay out of reach given what happened.

Oh and that text she received, was that intended to make her go ballistic on Bucky and Sam or to egg her on believing she's being targeted?

 

[MarkB]

Surprised he let Redwing close into melee range rather than stay out of reach given what happened.

To be fair, it was only within superhuman-leap range. He may have underestimated their abilities.

Oh and that text she received, was that intended to make her go ballistic on Bucky and Sam or to egg her on believing she's being targeted?

You mean the one she received after the fight, from someone saying that she took what was theirs and they were going to kill her? I'd guess it was from someone she stole stuff from (possibly the stuff in the trucks, possibly whatever is the source of their powers), and who is intending to kill her.

 

[Dire Bare]

To be fair, it was only within superhuman-leap range. He may have underestimated their abilities.

You mean the one she received after the fight, from someone saying that she took what was theirs and they were going to kill her? I'd guess it was from someone she stole stuff from (possibly the stuff in the trucks, possibly whatever is the source of their powers), and who is intending to kill her.

I'm not sure they've outright made it clear . . . . but the Flag-Smashers stole super-serum from the Power Broker to gain their super-powers, and he's not happy with them! That's who they were fleeing from in Episode 2.

 

[Blue]

Exactly. Tropes are an obstacle to actually understanding the art.

Tropes are tools that have been successful enough to be used again and again, either intentionally or rediscovered.

They are ways of doing things that may be used, not used, or subverted (again intentionally or not) by the content creators. Your understanding of it is after the fact, and has no impact on the creation.

 

[Eric V]

So where on screen has Walker been shown to be fundamentally a bully?
I can understand that as audience we can assume things but personally I cant think of any specific scene or dialogue which shows bullying from Walker.

Yeah, when he was in the jeep, asking for them to get in over and over again, it was obvious to me he was a little starstruck.

Then, he tried to show how useful he was by getting Bucky out of jail. It's only at the end, when they flat out reject him, that Walker flexes and warns them. I agree that he is hardly fundamentally a bully. Not if you go just based on the show without the comic knowledge (as the three other people in my house are doing).

 

[Morrus]

Every single interaction he’s had with Sam and Bucky (and Bucky’s therapist) has been a power play in which he has made it clear that he’s the guy with power and he will use that power to get what he wants. Literally every single interaction.

I’ve not really seen that in him.

But don’t take my word for it. Wait and see. Walker doesn’t respect people (not even Battlestar). His actions will reflect that.

I’m sure. If it’s a character from a comic book that you’re familiar with, and you say that’s the character, I believe you, and I’m sure that’s where it will go. For me he’s a brand new character and he seems fine if a bit out of his depth.

I guess foreknowledge can alter your perception of a character’s portrayal.