Falcon and winter solider

[Enevhar Aldarion]

And then they come outside and the cops try to . . . do whatever messed up thing they were going to do to him. If Sam wasn't reaffirmed by seeing Isaiah that his country doesn't fight for him, he surely would have right after leaving. I really like this show. This episode was masterfully done.

Everything in that arrest scene was intentionally done to mirror the real world, or parts of the real US, at least. I don't want to lump the rest of the world in with the garbage going on in some of our cities.

 

[Nikosandros]

Everything in that arrest scene was intentionally done to mirror the real world, or parts of the real US, at least. I don't want to lump the rest of the world in with the garbage going on in some of our cities.

The US is far from being the only country where that kind of garbage goes on...

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Everything in that arrest scene was intentionally done to mirror the real world, or parts of the real US, at least. I don't want to lump the rest of the world in with the garbage going on in some of our cities.

Based on what I've heard from people of color, this kind of thing is very widespread across the US (I don't know about other countries, though I'm sure similar things also happen elsewhere). Every person of color that I know has a story about a bad experience with a cop, so I would say that what happened in the arrest scene is a pretty accurate mirror of what often happens in the real world. I'm also assuming that's the writers' point with including it, to show that this happens a lot and can happen to any person of color, even if they're famous.

 

[Tonguez]

He's a contractor.

Bucky was an outright unwilling government tool for decades, and he and Sam spent a couple of years on the run from the military. While Sam seems to have made enough peace with that to take military contracts, I don't see as either of them are interested in taking orders any more.

I’ve got a family who are ex-Navy and my wifes family are ex-SAS. its very clear that even though they are all now retired ‘civilians’ they still have fellowship and respect for other service personnel.

My brother in law was SAS (special forces) and has been a military contractor in Iraq and PNG. What we also need to remember is The specialist getting military contracts arent the kind that need to take orders, they’ve been hired to lead a job and to advise others. But most still respect the chain of command even if they arent subject to it.

I observe that with how my brother in law approaches the world, my family is constantly amused how, even on a family outing to the beach, you can observe him prepping his gear with precision and on arrival on site scanning the area to make sure its secure before proceeding.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Based on what I've heard from people of color, this kind of thing is very widespread across the US (I don't know about other countries, though I'm sure similar things also happen elsewhere). Every person of color that I know has a story about a bad experience with a cop, so I would say that what happened in the arrest scene is a pretty accurate mirror of what often happens in the real world. I'm also assuming that's the writers' point with including it, to show that this happens a lot and can happen to any person of color, even if they're famous.

Yep, and not just that. The police are pretty much ready to draw their weapons on Sam, rather than try and arrest, if Sam were at fault. While with Bucky, once they see the warrant, are all polite and apologetic and gets loose handcuffs in the front, rather than the standard tight handcuffs behind the back. The hero is black and is treated like crap at first, and the former killer is white and treated nicely. The show was filmed months and months ago, but these scenes are very relevant today.

 

[Umbran]

I’ve got a family who are ex-Navy and my wifes family are ex-SAS. its very clear that even though they are all now retired ‘civilians’ they still have fellowship and respect for other service personnel.

In general, sure. And Sam shows how he still works well alongside military personnel, and cares about them in the opening of the very first episode, and how he reacts when his liaison decided to investigate a Flag Smasher gathering personally...

But respecting military personnel does not mean you want to take orders from them, or want them inserting themselves into your work in the role of your most trusted friend and leader. It does not mean someone else gets to be Cap.

 

[Rune]

It does not mean someone else gets to be Cap.

And I think also Sam and Bucky both recognize that Walker misunderstands something fundamental about Steve Rogers. Walker thinks Rogers was driven because he has guts, but that’s not quite right.

Rogers really disliked bullies.

Walker, on the other hand, fundamentally is a bully.

 

[Janx]

Based on what I've heard from people of color, this kind of thing is very widespread across the US (I don't know about other countries, though I'm sure similar things also happen elsewhere). Every person of color that I know has a story about a bad experience with a cop, so I would say that what happened in the arrest scene is a pretty accurate mirror of what often happens in the real world. I'm also assuming that's the writers' point with including it, to show that this happens a lot and can happen to any person of color, even if they're famous.

This harkens back to the earlier pages about ep 1 and some dude was saying 'well in film class, we were taught if they don't actually say something racist..."

This entire series will have stuff that happens to black folk, that isn't going to wear a bedsheet, but shows how it happens.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

Yep, and not just that. The police are pretty much ready to draw their weapons on Sam, rather than try and arrest, if Sam were at fault. While with Bucky, once they see the warrant, are all polite and apologetic and gets loose handcuffs in the front, rather than the standard tight handcuffs behind the back. The hero is black and is treated like crap at first, and the former killer is white and treated nicely. The show was filmed months and months ago, but these scenes are very relevant today.

All of this reminds me of the stories I've read from black men who served in WWII how they witnessed German POW's being treated better than they were. And how a many of them, even in uniform, retuned home to be victims of harassment and lynchings.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Sam has been working with the military, so he probably has some kind of military status.

Anyway, the people I know who have been in the armed forces never stop being soldiers.

yeah we do. we get old and fat, and out of shape. And most of us who left did so because we were tired of dealing with all the BS