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Umbran

Mod Squad
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Personally I’d expect that Ross is a leader of the GRC - it would be interesting if the GRC and the Power Broker are so intimately aligned (of course theyve already done the Hydra infiltrates SHIELD story)

If they did this, it wouldn't have to be an "infiltrates" story. It can be more a "beware, government can over-reach" as we have seen from Ross previously, and people like Hayward more recently. It is a pretty standard theme.

The problem with making Ross into the Power Broker is that Ross has, to my understanding, always been a patriot (if a misguided, overzealous one). He's not been portrayed as the sort to take his program to create superior military forces out into another country, and then sell those powers. Which is not to say that it cannot be done, but to be cogent, it'd need a lot of explaining. I don't think "the world turned upside down" is in and of itself is sufficient to the task. We shall see.

In the comics, Power Broker is more an icon of corporate malfeasance than government, but they could do something different in the MCU.
 
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Stalker0

Legend
Bingeable formats don’t really drive retention the way a weekly format does. We wouldn’t even be TALKING about WS episodes if we’d all binged it. Gotta keep folks talking.

Its true, and my guess is that as time goes on more steaming services will switch back to the weekly format. The binge shows were great for splash and to get subscribers, but the weekly format does help hold people's attention longer.

I do think the binge format might survive for "lackluster shows". The binge format can cover up for a weak show, as it doesn't have to be as engaging. A show where you have to wait a week has to hook you. hehe the binge format could be the new Friday night time slot:)
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
If they did this, it wouldn't have to be an "infiltrates" story. It can be more a "beware, government can over-reach" as we have seen from Ross previously, and people like Hayward more recently. It is a pretty standard theme.

The problem with making Ross into the Power Broker is that Ross has, to my understanding, always been a patriot (if a misguided, overzealous one). He's not been portrayed as the sort to take his program to create superior military forces out into another country, and then sell those powers. Which is not to say that it cannot be done, but to be cogent, it'd need a lot of explaining. I don't think "the world turned upside down" is in and of itself is sufficient to the task. We shall see.

In the comics, Power Broker is more an icon of corporate malfeasance than government, but they could do something different in the MCU.

Yeah I’d be suprised if it is Ross, the blip would have to have really scrambled world politics for him to make the change (and that wasnt evident in WandaVision).

I can see Ross being the US rep on the GRC and the Power Broker being ‘aligned‘ to the GRC too - indeed the GRC being the new nefarious Organisation for the MCU future is another theory Ive seen which I think is more credible.

NB Also add Victor Von Doom to the GRC, as the Heroic leader of Latveria that went in and helped rebuild the former towns and villages of Sokovia and then the other European nations affected by the Blip.
 
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Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
OMG I had an idle moment and it hit me - the GRC needs to be an ’Enlightened Council’ made up of Secretary of State Thaddeus Ross (USA), The Powerbroker (Asia), Dr Victor Von Doom (Europe), Ambassador Ororo Munroe(Africa), Dr Strange (Sorcerer Supreme) and Professor Xavier (just because)...

Prince Namor can join later
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
There is something about this show that is missing for me. I like it, but I don't love it, and I don't know why.

I mean, it is pretty normal Marvel stuff. WandaVision was a massive departure in style, a great creative effort. Falcon and Winter Soldier is in the style of Civil War. There's plot motion, but not a lot of innovation in the storytelling.

And that's okay. We need some standard material in there too, or else you probably wear out the audience.
 

Vael

Hero
Yeah, after the out of the box Wandavision, Falcon and Winter Soldier feels very a little staid. I'm enjoying it, the cast is solid, but it's not as enthralling and enticing as Wandavision.
 

I mean, it is pretty normal Marvel stuff. WandaVision was a massive departure in style, a great creative effort. Falcon and Winter Soldier is in the style of Civil War. There's plot motion, but not a lot of innovation in the storytelling.

And that's okay. We need some standard material in there too, or else you probably wear out the audience.

Well, if covid had not messed up the release schedule, this would have come out before WandaVision, so the adjustment from one to the other would not have happened at all.

And after this, we jump into the craziness of Loki. Because of that, I think the changed release schedule works better. This way, we do not go from the crazy of WandaVision straight into the crazy of Loki, but instead have this show in between, to calm things down.
 

Ross as Powerbroker, and Sharon as Powerbroker are both interesting ideas, but neither seem to make much logical sense. Of course illogical stuff has happened before, so I can't rule them out completely.

I can't see them introducing Victor Von Doom in this show.

Since I'm happy to back outsiders, I'm still putting my money on a Zola AI (because who doesn't back up their data?) as the Powerbroker.

Can anything be deduced from the "The Powerbroker is Watching You" graffiti? Is it more than a simple 1984 callout? Can the eyes be matched to anyone?

Ross does seem like a good candidate to head up the GRC, which is probably evil. Just why where they hoarding all those supplies?
 
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TFatWS Episode Four (The Flag Smashers), synopsis:

Sam, Bucky and Zemo catch up with the Flag Smashers, and Zemo puts his plan to kill all the enhanced individuals into motion.

However, Bucky has anticipated Zemo and doublecrossed him to Wakandian Intelligence, who storm in and take Zemo into custody.

Karli is captured and is dishing the dirt on the GRC to Sam when Walker bursts in and beats Karli to death.

Walkers' actions are captured on a mobile phone and "Captain America beats a defenceless young girl to death" goes viral.
 


well...that happened
I'm a little let down that they didn't show us Walker taking the serum. I also thought they would go for a decapitation, and nice call back to The Frist Avenger movie on how Walker and Lamar entered, with Walker holding his side arm up over the shield. I think Walker will lose the shield and Captain America name either next episode or in the last one.
 


Apparently Ayo isnt very good as Dora Melaje, she let herself get distracted and let Zemo escape - this is the third time!

Other than that I liked the episode and it pretty much played out predictably, although I too expected decapitation
Yeah . . . it was still very brutal, though. This is going to be . . . interesting. I wonder how the world will react in the next episode. This one was predictable, but I'm guessing the next one will be less so.
 


Super soldier serum:

All the recaps I have read are assuming the other 11 vials were all destroyed by Zemo, but has anyone taken the time to count how many are shown on-screen being destroyed? I also need to rewatch because I thought I heard Karli say there were still a couple left, but I may have misheard. Anyway, the Flag Smashers are now down to 6 super members, from 8, and Walker is how super. Lemar dying deviates from the comics in more than just his death, as I thought I read he was given the serum also, when Walker got the serum from the Power Broker.
 

MarkB

Legend
Apparently Ayo isnt very good as Dora Melaje, she let herself get distracted and let Zemo escape - this is the third time!

Other than that I liked the episode and it pretty much played out predictably, although I too expected decapitation
Yeah, if I had a criticism of this episode it would be that it is basically just every single character acting exactly as you expect them to act, with very predictable consequences.
 

Yeah, if I had a criticism of this episode it would be that it is basically just every single character acting exactly as you expect them to act, with very predictable consequences.
But, is that a bad thing? They've done a good job at outlining the characters, to the point that we can understand what they're doing and why they're doing it. Sam wants to talk with Karli because he understands her frustrations, Walker doesn't want to do that because he's a jerkass control freak that can't trust someone else to do the job right. Zemo tries to kill Karli because he hates Super Soldiers, and then gets to destroying the Serum. Walker takes the Serum because he keeps getting his ass whooped by everyone and thinks it will help him save lives (which it ends up doing the opposite of. . .). Lamar gets killed saving Walker's life, and Walker then goes berserk and takes revenge by brutally killing Karli's friend in public.

It's pretty straightforward and is basically what you would expect to happen, but I don't think that's inherently a bad thing. This was the first episode that I found all that predictable, and I'm guessing the next one will be less predictable when it deals with the fallout of this one.
 

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