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Falcon and winter solider

Shroompunk Warlord

Archdruid of the Warp Zones
No. If nothing else, while Marvel and Disney are willing to confront racism, they are not willing to tarnish Captain America himself in that way. Isaiah is the result of trying to re-create Cap.

They were not, perhaps, back when Truth: Red, White and Black was published. Clearly that is no longer the case.
 

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Rogers wasn't exactly a trained scientist. And Bucky showed no other signs of enhancement at that time - 'cuz, really, if he was enhanced, he wouldn't have fallen like that. So, I took that to be his speculation, not a timeline truth.
Bucky wouldn't have survived the fall if he wasn't enhanced. Rogers is no idiot, and had been fighting along side Bucky for a couple of months. He may well have already noticed changes.

Given that Zola also features prominently in Bucky's flashbacks, I'm pretty certain authorial intent is that Zola was involved in the creation of The Winter Soldier.
 
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To the ones here asking about Asian extras in the scenes in Madripoor, I watched it a 2nd time today and definitely saw some in the crowds. Some were borderline, as in, are they black or Indonesian, since they were on and off screen so quickly, and because Indonesians do look different than Chinese or Japanese. A couple of the extras may also be from India. I did not freeze frame anything to make sure. So people can put their anti-Disney pichforks away again.
 

Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
I'm not enjoying this show nearly as much as Wandvision. It's fine -- I'm not hating it or anything, and I'll watch to the end -- but it's a bit too formulaic for me. I find it slightly boring. I think Loki will be more to my taste.
I understand what you mean. The slow burn mystery of WandaVision was so much more entrancing "what's going on" then here. This has some Marvel(tm) quality action scenes, and we've got enough gnashing of teeth over John Walker, and even Baron Zemo - but somehow isn't as entrancing. We're enjoying it, but not like we were with WandaVision, especially ep 3+.
 

MarkB

Legend
I understand what you mean. The slow burn mystery of WandaVision was so much more entrancing "what's going on" then here. This has some Marvel(tm) quality action scenes, and we've got enough gnashing of teeth over John Walker, and even Baron Zemo - but somehow isn't as entrancing. We're enjoying it, but not like we were with WandaVision, especially ep 3+.
The stakes are just a bit lower in this one. With WandaVision, even aside from the mystery of how/what/why, there was the question of whether we'd get Vision back and whether Wanda would come out of it intact.

Here, it's nice that Sam and Bucky are teaming up, but I'm not invested in whether they manage to get along, and I'm not even particularly invested in whether Sam winds up becoming Captain America or stays being Falcon.

They also haven't introduced anyone really compelling in the secondary cast. Darcy, Jimmy Woo, Monica were all great in WandaVision and got me immediately interested in where those characters were going, but so far nobody in this series has caught my attention in that respect.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
I understand what you mean. The slow burn mystery of WandaVision was so much more entrancing "what's going on" then here. This has some Marvel(tm) quality action scenes, and we've got enough gnashing of teeth over John Walker, and even Baron Zemo - but somehow isn't as entrancing. We're enjoying it, but not like we were with WandaVision, especially ep 3+.

The two stories might both be ‘Marvel Superhero’ but they are very different genre, with Wandavision being a surreal mystery while Falcon and WS is an action adventure.

While I’d agree that WandaVision was more intellectually compelling and lent itself to weekly speculation and theory crafting, I dont think they should be compared except on a personal impact level. I’m liking both bit for very different reasons - F&WS is fun for the globetrotting adventure and the roster of MCU cameos.

But thats just my opinion
 

Stalker0

Legend
While I’d agree that WandaVision was more intellectually compelling and lent itself to weekly speculation and theory crafting, I dont think they should be compared except on a personal impact level. I’m liking both bit for very different reasons - F&WS is fun for the globetrotting adventure and the roster of MCU cameos.
It would have been interesting if they had done a weekly format with Wandavision and put out all 6 episodes of FWS right away. As WV is the more "water cooler" like show, I do think the weekly format makes sense to keep the suspence going. For an action adventure like FWS, a more bingable format might be good.
 


It would have been interesting if they had done a weekly format with Wandavision and put out all 6 episodes of FWS right away. As WV is the more "water cooler" like show, I do think the weekly format makes sense to keep the suspence going. For an action adventure like FWS, a more bingable format might be good.
Whilst FatWS is certainly more suitable for binge watching, you can see what Disney are trying to do, by having a regular "Friday event TV" as many weeks as possible. They need to spin it out until Loki and The Bad Batch are ready to fill that slot.

In the long term, it seem likely that they will lean into doing more high concept stuff (I suspect Loki will fall into that category) rather than conventional action adventure TV.
 

cmad1977

Hero
It would have been interesting if they had done a weekly format with Wandavision and put out all 6 episodes of FWS right away. As WV is the more "water cooler" like show, I do think the weekly format makes sense to keep the suspence going. For an action adventure like FWS, a more bingable format might be good.

Bingeable formats don’t really drive retention the way a weekly format does. We wouldn’t even be TALKING about WS episodes if we’d all binged it. Gotta keep folks talking.
 


Erekose

Eternal Champion
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but does it seem likely that Sam will be put into a situation where he has to take the serum?
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
To the ones here asking about Asian extras in the scenes in Madripoor, I watched it a 2nd time today and definitely saw some in the crowds. Some were borderline, as in, are they black or Indonesian, since they were on and off screen so quickly, and because Indonesians do look different than Chinese or Japanese. A couple of the extras may also be from India. I did not freeze frame anything to make sure. So people can put their anti-Disney pichforks away again.

Some in the background is not the majority we'd expect.

And, when valid criticism of the show is described as pitchforks, the problem is not with the criticism.
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
To the ones here asking about Asian extras in the scenes in Madripoor, I watched it a 2nd time today and definitely saw some in the crowds. Some were borderline, as in, are they black or Indonesian, since they were on and off screen so quickly, and because Indonesians do look different than Chinese or Japanese. A couple of the extras may also be from India. I did not freeze frame anything to make sure. So people can put their anti-Disney pichforks away again.
You managed to take what was a mild and reasonable criticism and turn it into something... darker.

We simply expressed our disappointment that there were very few SE Asians on an island that is supposed to be located in SE Asia! How that could possibly be an unreasonable position to take, I just don't know.
 


Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Thats an interesting theory. I’ve never really thought of Ross as a villain, but his obsessiveness, abusive disregard for Banner and fixation on super soldiers does make for a compelling argument.

Unfortunately we still dont know enough about the state of the World since the blip or the true purpose of the GRC. Personally I’d expect that Ross is a leader of the GRC - it would be interesting if the GRC and the Power Broker are so intimately aligned (of course theyve already done the Hydra infiltrates SHIELD story)
 

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