D&D (2024) bring back the pig faced orcs for 6th edition, change up hobgoblins & is there a history of the design change

[el-remmen]

I don’t want to explain how a stronger, tougher, intelligent race with an organised expansionist militant society hasnt already conquered the neighbouring nations.

I mean, to each their own - but I explained it pretty easily above: they have an empire across the sea. They've already conquered their neighbors long ago, but only just now reaching where the campaign takes places and beginning to have influence to prepare for some future military and/or cultural invasion. This is something that can either be the focus of a campaign OR just work as a backdrop for why PCs only encounter hobbos occasionally (as I suggested, foreign mercenaries).

Edit to add: And since it is "across the sea" - I have not bothered detailing it beyond "big ideas."

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

I flip-floped a lot about the orcs in the past few months, and I think I'm about done with them. I think their niche can be filled with more interesting creatures, the various goblinoid peoples fill the same niche being less monolithic.

I'll probably recycle them as another kind of goblinoid, somewhere between the goblins and hobgoblins.

Is there a kind of goblins from previous editions or other lore that is covered yet by the rules?

 

[Voadam]

Is there a kind of goblins from previous editions or other lore that is covered yet by the rules?

Goblins not covered yet? Blues from the 3e psionics books?

 

[Faolyn]

3) the orc name is from "pig faced"

They are only associated with pigs because Gygax envisioned them as being slightly pig-like. And then apparently the artist Dave Sutherland took him literally.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

Goblins not covered yet? Blues from the 3e psionics books?

I'm currently looking on the FR wikia for the different goblinoids.
The worghest is another option, but their warg shapeshifting makes them a little off for an Orc reskin.

I could also go for something new, but I cant find a good name!

 

[Mistwell]

I love Dungeon Meshi’s design for orcs. “Pig-faced” in a way that looks natural for a humanoid face, rather than going full-on Gamorean. Endomorphic instead of mesomorphic, which fits with the piglike appearance and brings some welcome body diversity to the table. Two-toed. Mottled pink and gray flesh tone. Coarse boar-like fur.

EDIT: Couldn’t get the image to work.

 

[R_J_K75]

hobgoblins have been dulled down (they are the military/armored slightly stronger goblin)

Werent they depicted as the some of the hightest of the food chain of Humanoids? I thought they were LE, enslaved the other humanoids and were basically the military and tacticains out of the humanoids? Or was that bugbears, I could be wrong and too lazy to check right now,? Think that pecking order was detailed in an Elminsters Ecology, Stonelands maybe?

 

[Voadam]

They are only associated with pigs because Gygax envisioned them as being slightly pig-like. And then apparently the artist Dave Sutherland took him literally.

There is also the description in the 1e MM which he authored.

"Description: Orcs appear particularly disgusting because their coloration — brown or brownish green with a bluish sheen — highlights their pinkish snouts and ears. Their bristly hair is dark brown or black, sometimes with tan patches."

 

[Tonguez]

I'm currently looking on the FR wikia for the different goblinoids.
The worghest is another option, but their warg shapeshifting makes them a little off for an Orc reskin.

I could also go for something new, but I cant find a good name!

The Bakemono of Kara-Tur were described as goblinoids but were distinct from goblins, bigger, savage, hooved and with tiny wings? They could be reskinned as Orkish (make the wings into fish fins like Koalinths-sea goblins)

I also recall a tougher Rhino-horned goblin in a Faerun book?

Boggle are also a more fairy-like goblinoid

 

[Charlaquin]

There it is! Thanks!