On number of ignores

[aco175]

I just wonder how someone with 130 against them has enough friends to play D&D with at someone's house.

Asking for a friend.

 

[Maxperson]

You have to accept the sole focus is protecting the person compelled to put someone on his or her ignore list.

That this might make life harder for that ignored person is just not a concern (neither for the forum software devs not the owners of the sites using that software), since "be nicer so nobody puts you on their block list" is the preferred solution.

Not being able to read their posts isn't "protecting" them. No harm is done by my seeing what they posted.

 

[Maxperson]

For the record you're talking about a pretty standard two-way ignore feature.

To me the prize for "the implementation of the block feature that was the worst one that I've seen this site enact" goes to... when the system gave an error message when you clicked on a thread started by someone that had put you on their block list. (The thread wasn't made invisible - it was still shown in the lists, but when you clicked it, the software pretended you had entered an invalid thread number. This made it painfully clear to a stalker when you tried to shield yourself from them, practically daring them to further harass you in other ways!)

In other words, despite the moderators repeatedly claiming the mod policy is "threads have no owner, you can't complain if the thread is taken over by people wishing to discuss the exact opposite of what you started the thread to discuss", the thread starter in practice did own that thread in the sense he or she could control who could read and respond to it. Yes, he or she could prevent you from reading posts from uninvolved posters, posters neither blocking nor being blocked by you or the thread starter, just because they happened to post their thoughts in a thread started by him or her.

That was bad.

And definitely a bug - it did not prevent harassment the way proper two-way blocking does, it just allowed people to willfully punish others. Thankfully, mercifully, that whole creaky plugin wasn't supported by Tapatalk - by accessing the site thru the app it was like the plugin wasn't there at all!

PS. Had that plugin's practical outcome been advertised as a feature (= "now you can throw thread derailers out of your thread without involving the mod team!") I might have looked at it differently, but I never used it as such since it was clear to me that would have been considered abusive.

Those bugs were pretty bad, but not once did I ever feel the need to log out to see a thread. There weren't any posts that didn't make any sense, because even if someone had blocked me, I could see what they said if someone quoted them, giving context to the response.

 

[MNblockhead]

I will never ignore anyone. Sooner or later everyone has something useful to say.

I can think of only one quasi-regular poster who has for sure ignored me, but there's probably others.

I'd prefer if ignore did not exist as a function.

I'm glad it is a function. It would be nice if it could be more granular, such as ignoring someone in just a single discussion thread or having the ability to filter discussion threads by user rather than having to ignore them to filter them out.

I have rarely used ignore because I was offended by a post. I am more likely to use it to filter out people who get into discussions that are tangential to the OP. You'll often have two or a small group of posters that will get into a side discussion with many many posts and very long posts that make it difficult to follow the original discussion and to read what other have said. I might ignore those posters temporarily simply to have a more enjoyable reading experience.

If someone ignores me, I don't know if I'd even notice. If I did, I wouldn't take it personally. Not everyone is going to be interested in what I have to say.

 

[CapnZapp]

Not being able to read their posts isn't "protecting" them. No harm is done by my seeing what they posted.

I was merely trying to help you understand you need to educate yourself as to why this is set up in a way contrary to your wishes. Basically, that you're looking at this from your own personal point of view - but you're not what the system is set up to protect against. (I'm suggesting you consider your troubles be an acceptable price to pay to have Xenforo help shield against harassment, something true two-way ignore does better)

Cheers

 

[CapnZapp]

Those bugs were pretty bad

Thank you for agreeing that implementation was pretty bad.

but not once did I ever feel the need to log out to see a thread. There weren't any posts that didn't make any sense, because even if someone had blocked me, I could see what they said if someone quoted them, giving context to the response.

Not if it was the thread starter that blocked you, you couldn't. Other than that, I never said any of those were issues.

Cheers

 

[FitzTheRuke]

If someone ignores me, I don't know if I'd even notice. If I did, I wouldn't take it personally. Not everyone is going to be interested in what I have to say.

That's food for thought. I've always been mortified by the idea that someone might block me - I hate the idea that I offended anyone (it would never be my intent), but I really don't mind if they just aren't interested in what I have to say (especially if I get myself involved in a tangent, which is entirely possible).

Given that I'm constantly trying to recognise that people have a very many reasons for their actions, many of which are not immediately clear (in particular in internet discussions where it is very hard to make yourself understood), you've given me yet another tool toward not judging others. Thanks!

 

[Umbran]

No harm is done by my seeing what they posted.

If you've gotten yourself blocked, that suggests that you've already demonstrated that, for whatever reason, you haven't managed to avoid doing harm to that person. So, maybe you aren't the best person to assess what further harm might be done.

Sorry if you find it annoying or inconvenient. But, As CapnZapp has pointed out, the feature is not about you, the person who has been blocked.

 

[Sacrosanct]

I was merely trying to help you understand you need to educate yourself...

Sentences that start like this is a great way to move up the list!

 

[CapnZapp]

Sentences that start like this is a great way to move up the list!

If you have a better way of explaining to Max why his issue is not and should not be a priority, the thread is yours.