On number of ignores

[Umbran]

So, let us put it this way...

@CapnZapp, I commend how respectful you have kept this discussion. You've patiently laid out the points well. However, he's not going to change his mind, and that's okay. He doesn't have to agree. I think you can let it go at this point.

@Maxperson, Your complaints have been heard, but we just don't agree with your assessments. We will not be changing the feature at this time. We'd recommend you move on to something more constructive.

 

[Maxperson]

So, let us put it this way...

@CapnZapp, I commend how respectful you have kept this discussion. You've patiently laid out the points well. However, he's not going to change his mind, and that's okay. He doesn't have to agree. I think you can let it go at this point.

He's "respectfully" said things to me like,

"I was merely trying to help you understand you need to educate yourself as to why this is set up in a way contrary to your wishes."

"You're making yourself look like an entitled fool...

"I engaged because I saw you were in danger of putting your foot in your mouth. Now that you have there's nothing I can help you with."

I'll let it go, but it would be nice if you didn't gloss over his statements by calling them respectful.

 

[Morrus]

He's "respectfully" said things to me like,

"I was merely trying to help you understand you need to educate yourself as to why this is set up in a way contrary to your wishes."

"You're making yourself look like an entitled fool...

"I engaged because I saw you were in danger of putting your foot in your mouth. Now that you have there's nothing I can help you with."

I'll let it go, but it would be nice if you didn't gloss over his statements by calling them respectful.

Maybe you should block him.

 

[Warpiglet-7]

My only gripe is that I did not know it was bidirectional! Oh well. I unblocked the last one I had...

I think it’s a good feature. I got sick of political posts on Facebook and hid people. I saw less of their garbage...works well here too.

90+ percent of people are decent enough. There is a percentage though that have issues that routinely effect others. Blocking is the only really good option.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I would generally agree with you, but please realize you're not talking about my first and most friendly attempt to give Max the realization "psst... you know that feature you feel is annoying; it's actually purposeful and if you just think about it, you'll realize why it's worth the inconvenience..."

I understand that. I think he did too, though I'll not speak for him. I just felt like you were making your point rather aggressively. (I'm not really meaning to defend Max here, exactly - Gradine made it very clear why they find the feature useful, and it answered any questions I have as to its worth: It's needed.)

If you want that, access the site through the EN World app. There it works literally exactly as you have described. (Do keep in mind you're talking about people you have ignored while this thread is about people who have ignored you)

I explored the various differences between the standard Xenforo web interface and the Tapatalk app back in post #65.

I was only spitballing possible ways that it might work to stop from causing misunderstandings, which happened upthread. (Though I was able to work that one out, anyway). I wasn't talking about any particular side of the ignore feature, though. I meant for it to work both ways.

But it doesn't matter what I think - again, I don't need it to do anything in particular. I haven't ignored anyone and I don't think anyone has ignored me. I have no skin in this game. It's probably past time that I leave it alone.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Huh. Yeah, I can see how that very brief, very civil misunderstanding actually makes your case. That said, I can also see why Gradine finds it very useful.

I think the overall lesson to be learned (if there is one) is that two-way blocking is probably a good feature, but the one we have might not have the best overall design. Perhaps the best way to do it would be to show (both sides) that there is a post there, with maybe a button (similar to a spoiler, I suppose) that one can press if they want to read what is being said, but that they can easily ignore if they notice "oh, THAT person is speaking." (Though then you would have to remember who they are and why you ignored them). Or something like that.

I dunno. I always assume that things can be better than they are, even if they work well enough as is.

If possible, the ideal solution would be a “sticker” showing where a post or quote you can’t see is, that only allows you to click and see the text if it’s someone you have blocked. You shouldn’t be able to circumvent someone blocking you without logging out.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

If possible, the ideal solution would be a “sticker” showing where a post or quote you can’t see is, that only allows you to click and see the text if it’s someone you have blocked. You shouldn’t be able to circumvent someone blocking you without logging out.

That makes sense, though I'm not sure I understand why one would care if a blocked person can read their posts as long as they can't respond to them. (I mean, if that's what people want out of it, more power to them, but it's not something that I can imagine myself caring about. What do I know? Clearly not much.)

 

[doctorbadwolf]

So, let us put it this way...

@CapnZapp, I commend how respectful you have kept this discussion. You've patiently laid out the points well. However, he's not going to change his mind, and that's okay. He doesn't have to agree. I think you can let it go at this point.

@Maxperson, Your complaints have been heard, but we just don't agree with your assessments. We will not be changing the feature at this time. We'd recommend you move on to something more constructive.

Cap has not been respectful to Max, at all.

 

[Imaculata]

Yes, and those are the people who also are not harassing anyone. The few who feel strongly enough to harass aren't going to be stopped by this feature or any feature of the current block system.

And since burglars exist, I guess we shouldn't have locks on our frontdoors either.

 

[Eyes of Nine]

TIL (or maybe was reminded - if i've blocked anyone, that was probably some time ago) that you can block people on ENWorld. Good to know.

 

[Gradine]

Cap has not been respectful to Max, at all.

I mean, I'm very definitely on Cap's side here, and even I would agree with this. That this conversation in particular has generated no small amount of acrimony across both sides is one life's more regrettable ironies.

Or amusing, depending upon your level of investment, I guess.

 

[Umbran]

Cap has not been respectful to Max, at all.

Your opinion on the matter has been noted, and will be given due consideration.

 

[ccs]

Well, the point is to be able to ignore someone as silently as possible, giving no indication the person isn't seeing your posts. So I would guess the answer from the mods will be "no".

Oh I don't care who's ignoring me, or why. I just think it'd be interesting to know the # of them.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Oh I don't care who's ignoring me, or why. I just think it'd be interesting to know the # of them.

By virtue of closely monitoring your number of blockers and seeing the number increment you can make a fairly accurate assessment of just who has blocked you. Not that I would bother, much too lazy, but the internet seems full of obsessive that do just that thing.

 

[TheSword]

Well, the point is to be able to ignore someone as silently as possible, giving no indication the person isn't seeing your posts. So I would guess the answer from the mods will be "no".

Yeah definitely the number would be helpful. The same way we have the number of warnings listed.

Incidentally it’s really obvious when someone blocks you, if they are a regular poster. For instance, I no longer see endless numbers of rambling threads about Greyhawk.

 

[Aldarc]

It's kind of nice to discover that some of the people that had been on my ignore list have since been either banned, disabled their profiles, or no longer appear to be active posters. That truncated my ignore list to a small handful.

The ignore feature is meant to lessen the friction on the board. If you don't even see that somebody has blocked you, you are much less likely to harass that person elsewhere on the internet. What you are suggesting amounts to the forum constantly reminding people they are "blocked by X" which is NOT HELPFUL.

That this causes you inconvenience is utterly beside the point. That a stalker determined enough to monitor the forum while logged out to find out who is ignoring him or her is also missing the point - most people won't bother doing that, and when they don't, the system is working as intended.

I know for a fact that I put one person on my ignore list precisely to reduce the friction that we can collectively cause the forums. If I can't see their posts, then it removes any inclination that they have to either respond to me or for me to respond back. And on the whole, it makes life easier for the Mods and people reading the forums.

 

[Asisreo]

Question about the Ignore Feature:

If you set someone on Ignore and tried to search their profile, would it show up?

More important question:

If you've been ignored by someone, would it be obvious by looking at the profile of the person that blocked you?

 

[TheSword]

Question about the Ignore Feature:

If you set someone on Ignore and tried to search their profile, would it show up?

More important question:

If you've been ignored by someone, would it be obvious by looking at the profile of the person that blocked you?

I believe you can search for the profile in both cases but if you try and click on details you just get an oops reading.

 

[amethal]

I just checked, and I have 5 users on ignore. (Although I'm pretty sure two of those accounts were the same person.) I put them all on ignore after a very contentious thread in which the opinions they expressed were so distasteful to me I didn't want to read anything else they had written.

In true internet style, I have now completely forgotten what that thread was about! So I'm taking them all off ignore.

 

[AnotherGuy]

I've never ignored anyone.

Oh, you sweet summer child!