On number of ignores

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Snarf Zagyg

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Speaking from my own experience, I can say that AFAIK, I've only been "ignored," once*- right after I joined enworld, an individual got really annoyed that I made fun of Return of the Jedi (?!?) and blocked me ... with an extreme flourish!

Which taught me a few valuable lessons:
1. People take Star Wars really seriously!
2. If you're going to ignore someone, just do it. Leveraging it or threatening it or (worst of all) saying "Ima ignore you now!" and then doing it? Kind of weird. Especially because the person won't see your grand performative statement. ;)

All that said, I appreciate the ignore function, and use it freely. This is an amazingly-well moderated forum, but something about the format of forums and threads can lend itself to heated exchanges ... and I'm too old for that stuff. The world is already too angry and too divisive and too argumentative, and sometimes it's nice to have fun, make some jokes, and talk about dragons and wizards. :)

*I'm sure it's happened a lot more! That's the only one I've actually noticed.
 

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Asisreo

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I believe you can search for the profile in both cases but if you try and click on details you just get an oops reading.
So wouldn't that mean that you could likely sniff out if the user ignored you and, if you're a troll, bypass that filter?
 

TheSword

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So wouldn't that mean that you could likely sniff out if the user ignored you and, if you're a troll, bypass that filter?

If by bypass the filter you mean go through an external social media source then I’m not sure how any solution solves that problem. No platform can stop someone operating on a different platform and it’s not possible to eliminate the recognition that someone’s been blocked if they really want to know.
 

Asisreo

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If by bypass the filter you mean go through an external social media source then I’m not sure how any solution solves that problem. No platform can stop someone operating on a different platform and it’s not possible to eliminate the recognition that someone’s been blocked if they really want to know.
Can someone not also harass on this site merely by making an alt account?
 

Speaking from my own experience, I can say that AFAIK, I've only been "ignored," once*- right after I joined enworld, an individual got really annoyed that I made fun of Return of the Jedi (?!?) and blocked me ... with an extreme flourish!

Which taught me a few valuable lessons:
1. People take Star Wars really seriously!
2. If you're going to ignore someone, just do it. Leveraging it or threatening it or (worst of all) saying "Ima ignore you now!" and then doing it? Kind of weird. Especially because the person won't see your grand performative statement. ;)

All that said, I appreciate the ignore function, and use it freely. This is an amazingly-well moderated forum, but something about the format of forums and threads can lend itself to heated exchanges ... and I'm too old for that stuff. The world is already too angry and too divisive and too argumentative, and sometimes it's nice to have fun, make some jokes, and talk about dragons and wizards. :)

*I'm sure it's happened a lot more! That's the only one I've actually noticed.
I view it like this: I was taught to be respectful in all cases and especially when you are an invited guest. I consider this Morrus's House. He has invited us here to share pleasantries. Respect the invite just as you would do elsewhere in life. BTW: Thanks to @Morrus and his House-Tenders all!
 
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Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
I wonder how many people start a new account to get around being blocked or kicked off due to warnings or such.

Past is prologue.

Seems pointless; if you can't change your behavior to avoid getting kicked off (or can't take the hint from being blocked by 130+ people!), then a new and different account is only delaying the inevitable.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Past is prologue.

Seems pointless; if you can't change your behavior to avoid getting kicked off (or can't take the hint from being blocked by 130+ people!), then a new and different account is only delaying the inevitable.
I think if they can successfully do it once, they can do it 2, 3 or 10 times. It's not really a delay of the inevitable, but it is likely to repeat itself a lot.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
I think if they can successfully do it once, they can do it 2, 3 or 10 times. It's not really a delay of the inevitable, but it is likely to repeat itself a lot.

shrug That's true on any forum. That's what moderators are for (eventually).

Again, if someone gets blocked continually, and is unable to conform their behavior, then they are unlikely to change. Which just means ... they will get blocked a lot again. Eventually, either they will get modded out, or the amount of effort won't be worth the diminishing returns.

I think @Rob Kuntz put it nicely above- it's not our house. We are guests here, and if we don't like the rules, there are other places to express ourselves. I would just point out that the forums here are (happily) devoid of a lot of the divisiveness and outside issues that I find elsewhere, which I think is a feature, and not a bug. The implementation of ignore (which is a common way of doing it) is also one of the things I think of as a benefit. YMMV.
 

I think if they can successfully do it once, they can do it 2, 3 or 10 times. It's not really a delay of the inevitable, but it is likely to repeat itself a lot.

I think it still helps weed out the trolls. Trolling, after all, is about maximizing annoyance of others with minimal effort. If someone has to go through multiple accounts (with multiple email addresses, minimum post counts to gain credibility, etc) to annoy someone who only has to report them once as a suspected alt account to start the process over, they're really trolling themselves more than the rest of the board.
 

TheSword

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I think it still helps weed out the trolls. Trolling, after all, is about maximizing annoyance of others with minimal effort. If someone has to go through multiple accounts (with multiple email addresses, minimum post counts to gain credibility, etc) to annoy someone who only has to report them once as a suspected alt account to start the process over, they're really trolling themselves more than the rest of the board.
It is painfully obvious when some Villager joins a conversation as if they’ve been here for years. Talking with familiarity with people on the same topics.
 


DammitVictor

Druid of the Invisible Hand
Past is prologue.

Seems pointless; if you can't change your behavior to avoid getting kicked off (or can't take the hint from being blocked by 130+ people!), then a new and different account is only delaying the inevitable.

You don't get blocked by 130 people by believing that your problem is actually your problem, or that you actually have a problem at all. You get blocked by 130 people by believing that, if 130 people have blocked you, they all have a problem and the problem is all of them.

It's... much the same with being permabanned, except sometimes that person being removed is actually right about the moderators being the problem, but they're so confident in their superiority and their entitlement that they honestly believe that if they just double down hard enough that... somehow, everyone else involved will just acknowledge their worth and give them their own way.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
I think it still helps weed out the trolls. Trolling, after all, is about maximizing annoyance of others with minimal effort. If someone has to go through multiple accounts (with multiple email addresses, minimum post counts to gain credibility, etc) to annoy someone who only has to report them once as a suspected alt account to start the process over, they're really trolling themselves more than the rest of the board.
I would think, though, that a true troll would be kicked off of the site long before reaching that many ignores. The ones that stay around and get ignored to that degree would probably be non-trolls that are perhaps a bit abrasive.
 

Gradine

Final Form (she/they)
I would think, though, that a true troll would be kicked off of the site long before reaching that many ignores. The ones that stay around and get ignored to that degree would probably be non-trolls that are perhaps a bit abrasive.
To bring this back full circle, once again; the point here is that being abrasive is an unwelcome character trait, and the consequence for being abrasive is getting ignored and having to put up with the consequences that follow.

You are asking to get to be abrasive without consequence, which doesn't appear like it's going to be happen.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
To bring this back full circle, once again; the point here is that being abrasive is an unwelcome character trait, and the consequence for being abrasive is getting ignored and having to put up with the consequences that follow.

You are asking to get to be abrasive without consequence, which doesn't appear like it's going to be happen.
That isn't what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that those who aren't trolls, but are a just little abrasive will be more likely that a troll to go through the effort to make another account and will last a lot longer. They're more invested in the site. I wasn't saying that it's okay.
 

the Jester

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I would just point out that the forums here are (happily) devoid of a lot of the divisiveness and outside issues that I find elsewhere, which I think is a feature, and not a bug.
It is the result of years of learning and hard work on the parts of Moruss and the various mods.

Which, by the way, thanks, you guys. You're not perfect and I don't always agree with every call you make, but this site is a great deal better than it would otherwise be thanks to your collective efforts.
 


Morrus

Well, that was fun
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It is the result of years of learning and hard work on the parts of Moruss and the various mods.

Which, by the way, thanks, you guys. You're not perfect and I don't always agree with every call you make, but this site is a great deal better than it would otherwise be thanks to your collective efforts.
The weird thing is that I might be one of the most experienced internet community administrators in the world. 20 years now! Yikes!
 

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