D&D 5E Is Paladine Bahamut? Is Takhisis Tiamat? Fizban's Treasury Might Reveal The Answer!

According to WotC's James Wyatt, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons introduces a new cosmology for dragon gods, where the same beings, including Fizban, echo across various D&D campaign settings with alternate versions of themselves (presumably like Paladine/Bahamut, or Takhisis/Tiamat). Also... the various version can merge into one single form.

Takhisis is the five-headed dragon god of evil from the Dragonlance setting. Paladine is the platinum dragon god of good (and also Fizban's alter-ego).

Additionally, the book will contain psychic gem dragons, with stats for all four age categories of the five varieties (traditionally there are Amethyst, Crystal, Emerald, Sapphire, and Topaz), plus Dragonborn characters based on metallic, chromatic, and gem dragons.

D&D 5E - Check out Fizban's Alternate Cover!

WotC's James Wyatt talked to Polygon about Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, which also revealed the alternate cover, which you can only get from hobby stores. https://www.enworld.org/threads/fizbans-treasury-the-dragon-book-now-has-a-description-and-a-feat.681399/

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D&D 5E - Fizban's Treasury: The Dragon Book Now Has A Description... And A Feat

Courtesy of Amazon, we now have a description for Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, the October D&D hardcover. The book introduces gem dragons, dragon-themed player options, and plenty of draconic lore! This joins September's The Wild Beyond the Witchlight, and November's Strixhaven: Curriculum of...

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[Parmandur]

So, I just realized: this basically gives the Dragons the equivalent of Immortal rules from BECMI, doesn't it? Dragon "gods" are enlightened and ascended Dragons.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Also, two classic settings are being released in 2022.

New D&D book explains why dragons are so important that they’re half the game's name

Fizban’s Treasury of Dragons will reveal exactly why dragons are so important to D&D that they’re deserving of title billing.

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Wizards did tease that they’re reintroducing “two of the classic settings” in 2022.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

Yes, absolutely. I think @doctorbadwolf is talking about the default of the settings, not what DMs what to make of a setting for their table. And I agree with that. Different settings with different cosmologies is one of the things that I really like about the various settings. I dislike this tendency I'm seeing to want to homogenize the settings by making sure all of the races are in Dark Sun and such. Let settings be unique.

I agree with that, but I have no issues with on over arching cosmology that can be completely ignored. I think these are different things.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Great. That sucks. let it be the case in The Great Wheel, and allow worlds like Krynn and Eberron to not be part of the Great Wheel.

My desire is for settings to be built to tell their own unique story, not to support a metasetting that will never benefit 99% of games actually run in the real world, but will change the nature of individual settings and thus impact games set in those settings.

As much as I enjoy seeing Arkhan the Cruel in Avernus, that could have been done without making the entire dnd catalogue of published worlds into the same multiverse. It could be done without cheapening what Takhisis and Paladine are, or what the Progenitor Wyrms of Eberron are.

Not always, and certainly not in this case. The settings get materially altered to fit the shared cosmology. What new players expect from the settings changes as a result, as well as the material in the books changing. It would have been vastly easier for you to connect the various settings using the basic premises of planescape than it will be for those of us who dislike this model to remove it from individual settings and figure out how to fit the pieces together after excising the unwanted material added solely to make Krynn and Eberron exist in the same material plane as Toril.

You can't see the connection between using it to talk about the supposed ignorance of a group of people and the superiority complex of ancient Greek and Roman society and the rhetoric used by imperialist throughout history to paint their expansion as good for the people they invade?

No, it isn't.

If it doesn't matter to you, then why are you so adamant that it should be the way you prefer? If clearly does matter to others, but only your determination of how much a thing matters is relevant?

Okay?

I could see that arguement for Eberron, it was designed around 3e setting philophy, where even FR was not in the Great Wheel Cosmology, only Greyhawk and Planescape were, so Eberron was designed with a seperate cosmology from its beginning, until 5e.

But Krynn has always been apart of the Great Wheel Cosmology from the beginning and along with Greyhawk is the physically closest Material Plane Crystal Sphere to Realmspace.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

Exactly. It's really easy to fit all these worlds together in a campaign. It's harder to separate them, IMO, and it makes them less unique from the jump.

It this doesn’t make Krynn less unique. It only changes your perception if you let it

 

[QuentinGeorge]

Krynn had it's own cosmology and separate planes of existence. The Abyss of Dragonlance is not the Abyss of the Great Wheel.

Yes I know that. Except Planescape tried to pretend it didn't.

 

[QuentinGeorge]

I could see that arguement for Eberron, it was designed around 3e setting philophy, where even FR was not in the Great Wheel Cosmology, only Greyhawk and Planescape were, so Eberron was designed with a seperate cosmology from its beginning, until 5e.

But Krynn has always been apart of the Great Wheel Cosmology from the beginning and along with Greyhawk is the physically closest Material Plane Crystal Sphere to Realmspace.

It hasn't really. It has consistently presented its own cosmology which other D&D products kept ignoring until 3rd edition.

 

[Hexmage-EN]

The Feywild and Shadowfell are mirrors of the Material Plane, so there is only one Feywild the same way there is only one Material Plane, but like the Material Plane, the Feywild has many worlds within it.

I considered that for a moment, but in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes the elven diaspora was said to have been facilitated by them spreading to multiple worlds through the Feywild, which implies that it's only one world connected to multiple Material Plane worlds.

 

[SkidAce]

Well, enter the Great Wyrms, which apparently any Dragon can become.

Potentially any dragon. That survives.

I have a sorta Immortals/BECMI thing going on, and a lot of my BIG gods (that influence more than one world) used to be dragons.

But not every dragon, there's risk involved.

 

[Parmandur]

Potentially any dragon. That survives.

I have a sorta Immortals/BECMI thing going on, and a lot of my BIG gods (that influence more than one world) used to be dragons.

But not every dragon, there's risk involved.

Wyatt is hacking your game, man.