D&D General All Dead Generations: "Classic Vs. The Aesthetic"

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Faolyn

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Then why are they ogres or elves? Why aren't they just more humans? Differences need to have weight in order to be differences.
Because ogres and elves have different traits, different cultures, and different ways of going about things. Even if they're all part of a society, they're likely going to have different outlooks and histories and cultural rituals.

And because having pointy ears or being 8 feet tall or having horns is cool.
 

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Faolyn

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For individuals? Well thrasher one would be to ask the company we are paying to do then work, to actually...do the work.

Provide that Alignment.
Provide that basic historical overview.
Provide that 'permission' to discard those things.
Provide the examples through the official canon and world building effort, that while there is a trend toward X behavior/culture/religion, there is also room for Y.

The easiest path, is to hold Wizards to a standard where they provide both.
No, because that adds to the amount of writing that needs to be done (and paid for) and the potential page count of the book (which also needs to be paid for).

Why do you need "permission" to discard anything?

If that's somehow beyond the pale, I still choose the first option. It's easier to add, and go against type, than to do everything.
And I find it much easier to add by not having a "type" to begin with.

Again, if they don't provide us with something, why do we pay them?
For that historical overview and for rules that have hopefully been gone over by more people than just your own gaming group.
 

He has better AC, yes, but that’s not necessarily more valuable to a wizard than the ability to hide in fog or whatever. Unlike having +1 to basically every d20 roll you make, +1 to all of your save DCs and an extra prepared spell, which is necessarily more valuable than either.
Sure, bonus to in is better for wizard than natural armour, no doubt about it. But we're talking about world where that is not an option (or it is not tied to race) so only differentiation are the traits. And some of them absolutely will make certain races better for certain classes. Under Tasha's mountain dwarves are super good for wizards and sorcerers compared to most other options under the same system.

I fully understand you not liking racial ASIs, it just seems very disingenuous to use essentialism argument against them as the same applies to your preferred method. And I feel it rather trivialises social justice issues to use them to argue for your favoured game mechanics in an elf game. The real issues, even in this game, are elsewhere.
 



People enjoy fictional violence pretty much everywhere from comic books to Hollywood movies.
I find your comment quite offensive.
That you say that you find killing one particular fictional race exceptionally satisfying definitely sounds disturbing. And that this particular race is a noted target of problematic depictions certainly doesn't make this seem any better.
 

Charlaquin

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Sure, bonus to in is better for wizard than natural armour, no doubt about it. But we're talking about world where that is not an option (or it is not tied to race) so only differentiation are the traits. And some of them absolutely will make certain races better for certain classes. Under Tasha's mountain dwarves are super good for wizards and sorcerers compared to most other options under the same system.
The advantage dwarves have as casters under Tasha’s is really not significant compared to other racial features. Is it “better” for a wizard to have medium armor, or to be able to change their appearance at will? It depends on what you want to do with your Wizard. This is not the case when comparing ability score increases. Increasing Intelligence will always be better for a wizard than increasing any other ability. Racial traits come at the opportunity cost of other racial traits, which have similarly niche applications. Ability score increases come at the opportunity cost of increasing other abilities, and since every class has one ability that is objectively more important for them than any other (well, ok, fighters can choose which of two abilities they want to be more important), an increase to that ability instead of an increase to another ability makes a character an inherently better specimen of their class in a way that having one racial trait as opposed to another doesn’t.
 

The advantage dwarves have as casters under Tasha’s is really not significant compared to other racial features. Is it “better” for a wizard to have medium armor, or to be able to change their appearance at will? It depends on what you want to do with your Wizard. This is not the case when comparing ability score increases. Increasing Intelligence will always be better for a wizard than increasing any other ability. Racial traits come at the opportunity cost of other racial traits, which have similarly niche applications. Ability score increases come at the opportunity cost of increasing other abilities, and since every class has one ability that is objectively more important for them than any other (well, ok, fighters can choose which of two abilities they want to be more important), an increase to that ability instead of an increase to another ability makes a character an inherently better specimen of their class in a way that having one racial trait as opposed to another doesn’t.
I simply do not agree that this is the case. All traits are not equally good for all classes. Perhaps the disparity in power is smaller that way, but at most we have a difference of degree, not of kind. And if the complaint is that is that favouring certain classes is inherently problematic, then I don't think that should matter.
 

That you say that you find killing one particular fictional race exceptionally satisfying definitely sounds disturbing. And that this particular race is a noted target of problematic depictions certainly doesn't make this seem any better.
I just used orca as an example. Could have been goblins, gnolls, kobolds, whatever... Just something that isn't a mindless construct or animated pile of bones or boring human highwaymen. I thought that was clear from the context.
I'm genuinely offended.
 

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