D&D 4E Anyone playing 4e at the moment?

[Aldarc]

Me too high 5

I can't recall a terribly negative conversation with him, so I'm not sure how I earned his ire. Oh well. Everyone has their reasons, and I'll respect his.

I largely view 4e as an accidentally brilliant game. We know that it was created by a deeply divided design team. It's no wonder parts of the team did not get it because it wasn't the sort of game they wanted to design.

There was huge amounts of intent in the original design expressed by original team leadership, I do not think accidental is the right word exactly.

The "accident" aspect may be a result of the rushed development.

 

[Mind of tempest]

hmmm not sure... I am kind of a build my own world kind of guy but I think bits and pieces of what you are talking about are scattered all over

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it is more that people have had no idea about it's setting and idea and people might be able to build better ideas from it if it was in one place and videos do much better than text.

Well, there is a google doc someone put together that details the lore of Nentir Vale from the very beginning of creation to “present” Nentir Vale, cobbled together from various tidbits of lore spread throughout many of the 4e books. It what I have been using as reference for my own world’s history.

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also thank you for more text, I had my above idea after the dnd meme sub reddite for its latest dumb debate was that 4e fighter was better it is a true statement thus a debate is madness.

 

[Garthanos]

it is more that people have had no idea about it's setting and idea and people might be able to build better ideas from it if it was in one place and videos do much better than text.

They certainly can I love some of the recent game play videos I have watched. But I havent seen any on 4e world lore

also thank you for more text, I had my above idea after the dnd meme sub reddite for its latest dumb debate was that 4e fighter was better it is a true statement thus a debate is madness.

Better at what than what? I mean keeping my interest? having tactical options? being a defender and locking down enemies and keeping them from harming your friends? Eating minions for lunch? All of those comes to my mind.

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

I didn't have a problem with the idea.

My comment was more that it was an example of an option being released that was immediately used in a way which had appeared to have never been considered before it rolled out.

...which happens sometimes. It's not uncommon for an audience to see something differently. But that seemed to be the case a lot with 4E.

I've often been curious what was happening at WotC which produced a drastically different view of the game than how the players around me viewed the game.

The 2 point differential between AC and NADS had huge and widespread repercussions throughout the design of 4e. Because it broke the symmetry of things (albeit its not a horrible breakage, but its still broke) there were then attempts to keep inappropriate things from 'mixing together', and that just created uglier problems when some things started out already AS mixes (IE warlock implements).

I neatly solved all this in my game by A) getting rid of AC entirely, and B) generalizing proficiency so all these things are 'tools' and simply 'having proficiency in a tool which your power includes as a keyword' (directly or indirectly) is worth a +5 bonus. It just works. I guess you could argue with the +5, maybe it should be +2 or +3, whatever. The point is all of this rules mess was instantaneously banished with the simplest of fixes. Whomever WROTE the 4e rules, as in technically designed them, was a fairly incompetent wargame rules designer (and I say this as someone who has played some of the most complex wargames in existence and not had any problems, I've also written a few wargames that work quite well).

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I think that a 5e version of the 4e fighter and warlord would make htis new edition better, I think the martial classes of 4e were the best we ever had.

 

[Garthanos]

Thief of Legends was mentioned. And stealing the intangible and subsequently the impossible isn't even a capstone ability.

 

[Garthanos]

There could be other progressions too. Maybe another maneuver lets you toss people, 3 meters, 100 meters, 10 kilometers, and the final capstone is 'they never come down'.

Martial Practice : I used a throw an object in the air (may be at lower levels rebounding off scenery tree foliage and buildings and eventually falling back as long as you are in the area as a way for a warrior/strength athletics archetype to sequester things (hide them in an unfindable way temporarily) like dex character might do. This at Mythic that becomes you throw it into the sky gauging where you will be with a touch of prophetic foresight from that mysterious heritage so when you want it back .... boop it drops out of the heavens where you tossed it.

 

[Garthanos]

(5E claims that magic items are rare/optional, but I'm not sure that I always believe that.)

the analysis I have seen is that monsters get better faster (just like +1 to+3) if you do not give people magic items during those last tiers ie they did assume it but figure since things are a bit more obfuscated and most people do not play endgame anyway marketing speak about not needing magic items rules the day.

 

[Garthanos]

@AbdulAlhazred There is an item that might be an analog to a save ends version of banishment in 4e btw, but not seeing anything more. The 4e case does not require concentration like I think the 5e does. (or whatever the 4e analog spending a minor/mov/standard action to maintain)

 

[Mind of tempest]

They certainly can I love some of the recent game play videos I have watched. But I havent seen any on 4e world lore

Better at what than what? I mean keeping my interest? having tactical options? being a defender and locking down enemies and keeping them from harming your friends? Eating minions for lunch? All of those comes to my mind.

more stuff to do is honestly the answer they came up with, not being a defender just being more than I hit stuff.