Chaosmancer
Legend
You invited yourself in my game. With a corrupted sheriff, you're either dead, or in jail and soon to be. Tough luck man. Sorry.
So, that's your version of a session zero? Kill a character off before level 1 because you don't like it. Wonder where I could have possibly gotten the idea that you are controlling from?
Hey! I'm a generous man. What can I say.
But being part of the region is usually mandatory. A region can be big. Or small. It would mean discussion with me and the other players. Ho the tyranny of the majority...
Why must I be from the same region as everyone else? That seems like an unnecessary restriction that does nothing except control what character's people are allowed to make.
According to you. But once the vote are cast. You and I have to abide. Why do you constest that I apply the votes and the rules?
Well, when I asked "who decided that" you said "me". That isn't a group vote, that is you declaring that the decision was made by yourself. So, you either lied, or you have no idea what you are talking about.
And I contest the votes, because I don't remember voting for anything. I do remember you telling me that the votes of the group were against me, which is strange since I never voted for anything and never discussed things with these other voters. I have nothing but your word that all the votes are going against my ideas, ideas that you called ludicrious and impossible before you started hiding behind this smoke screen of "votes"
No you discovered that the Sheriff is corrupted. And he surely knows because he beat you. It will be either to a pulp or simply put you in jail and hang you next morning just to make a nice example of you.
And again you add details that I never once stated. I said I was beaten by a corrupt sheriff. Since when did I say that I discovered he was corrupt? Maybe it is common knowledge that he is corrupt. Maybe he did beat me and then stab me, but I survived. You said you'd give someone three 15+ rolls, I use them on the death saves. Oh wait, I bet that its impossible that everyone in the village would know the sheriff is corrupt, because you just decided that the noble in charge of the region woulnd't stand for it. And the sheriff would stab me TWICE to kill me, so I'm dead anyways because clearly my idea is absurd, not that it is, you know, you just forcing it not work no matter what I say.
After all, you had a vote that I never participated in, so you know that I'm always going to be voted wrong.
Nope, you are the one trying to changing the cleric's rules. Not me.
I disagree that picking your own domain is in anyway changing the cleric's rules.
That you accept it or not has no bearing. I read the rules, and see that you are wrong. Wheter you agree or not in my game is of no consequence as everyone in my games sees this the same as I. You are the one with a weird interpretation. Tyranny of the majority again...
Well, I read the rules and see that you are wrong. Whether you agree or not in my game is of no consequence as everyone in my games sees this the same as I. Tyranny of the Majority, right?
Nope, a suggestion is a suggestion. It can be ignored or acted upon. There is the Acolyte background, the text is relative fluff. Even you said that the tables are mere suggestions and that you can ignore them and write your own TIB if you so choose (and if the DM chooses to allow you to do it) Unless you no longer feel that way?
You seem to be confused as to who gets to decide what. You said it was impossible to be a reformed cultist because the option doesn't exist. I demonstrated that it does exist, it is in the text. Therefore, as a player, I get to decide if I want to take the suggestion for my character or not.
You then said that I am required to roll on the suggested tables and forced to take the results of those rolls. However, as a player, I get to decide whether I want to take those suggestions for my character or not.
There is no contradiction in my position here.
Ho no, it is not run only at my table. But I am telling that apply rules. You just do not accept the rule that I use RAW and RAI in favor of your weird reading where a cleric of Vecna could choose nature because "I read it that way" no one can tell me the I am wrong because it is me.
I have been looking for an explanation for why I can't take the nature domain as a cleric of Vecna, to demonstrate a person who is part of a cult of Vecna focused on the secrets of nature. The answers I have gotten are... because you can't. Using a reading of the rules that unnecessarily limits choices in a way that doesn't even make sense within the rules, as we have shown REPEATEDLY that these domains are suggestions, and that they are just the closest people could get in some cases, or otherwise bizarre.
If your entire rebuttal is "because you can't" then if I do, then you have no rebuttal.
If you go to the book store. Do you expect to find a freezer and buy it there? Ho the Devils will go along your plan, make fine prints and exceptions and yaddi yadda. End point? They'll get your soul. Demons? Straight forward ask for it. No bargains, don't want it? Go away. Their philosophy is quite straigth forward and if they can't get your soul through a deal, they'll simply try to get it right here and now.
Who says fiends are like a bookstore? If I go to Wal-Mart I can find books and freezers and shoes and food. I have made plenty of characters who made deals not involving in their souls. There is no reason I cannot, except that you refuse to accept it and are forcing your vision of what is allowed on my concepts.
Honestly, this is getting to the point where I am thinking I must reconsider my policy of trying to meet people halfway and accept their premises, because all it has led to is you making assumptions and trying to enforce a vision of the game that has nothing to do with the rules or the way that it is played at any table I have ever been to.
Wait???? Tables are not suggestion but you can and will ignore them. But a simple suggestion has more bearing than whole tables... You are very consistant in your approach.
As I previously demonstrated, yes, I am consistent in my approach.
Fortunately you did not. As your patron, I'd ask for your soul! (details details... but one can hope doesn't it?)
If you want to talk about the game in general, why do you go with books other than what you are sure that everybody here has?
Why do you bother defending a reading that do hold close scrutiny unless you ignore the whole text?
Why do you ignore that under domain, you have gods listed as having these domains?
Why do you ignore the Appendix B that tells you which gods have which domain(s)?
Your reading only works in your game and only if you ignore zounds of text rules.
I have ignored nothing. I know that you do have access to the materials we have been discussing, as I showed before. So, I find all of this to be groundless
Read again my friend a 4th level with pick locks. This is about what you would need to solo the sheriff and survive if caught.
You are first level.
You bribe with what?
A single explosive runes on the lock and you're dead unless about 4th level. 200 gold is not that much for a sheriff.
So, I want to take a moment and just appreciate how utterly shameless you are.
My original statement: My character was beaten by a corrupt sheriff and escaped his home village.
The Situation that you have created: I discovered that the sheriff was corrupt and to silence me he beat me and threw me in jail. The jail is enchanted against magic, the cells are reinforced to hold pixies, the lock is enchanted with a 3rd level spell to explode if anything other than the appropriate key in placed in it. This trap alone costs 200 gp, which is double the daily running cost of a small castle, and ignores the costs of hiring a 5th level wizard to cast it. The sheriff is rich enough to afford this without any issues. My character must survive the beating, survive the exploding jail cell, and be capable of fighting the sheriff in a solo fight to the death to be allowed to have escaped.
The level 4 requirement is literally only to have the hp to survive a trap I never mentioned and never considered. Because in terms of skill modifers, there is no difference between a level 1 character and a level 4 character.
I can clearly see why this is impossible, I just would argue that I'm not the one who made it so, since I didn't assume a sheriff with the funds and access to magic of a mid-tier noble, and a jail at all, let alone one magically trapped and reinforced to prevent any and all escape. It truly makes me wonder what marvels must be in the jails of a noble, if a small peasant village has hundreds of gold sunk into their jails.
Yep. That I can understand. But as I said in another answer, the death rate ratio in the first three levels is pretty high in my games. Very high if you compare to a lot of tables. Doing such a long back story is a total waste of time and character creation is always with everyone at the table. Once the votes are done with, it takes about 20 minutes to get started on the adventure itself. Not a lot of time to write one.
So character's die too quickly to matter. Might explain why you refuse to let someone actually care about their own character at level 1, and instead enforce all these bizzare rules.
Then again, when village jails have exploding traps and the local sheriff has the political and martial might of a mid-tier noble, it is little wonder that low-level characters die in droves. I'd say you are safer out in the wilderness, but I'm sure you have roving gangs of dragons who attack the 1st level characters for their copper coins.
Unless you want to slow down everyone else. Not really.
If we are in another system. Such as Vampire the Masquerade. The back story will be more than mandatory. Usually a few pages long and one part will be done by you and one part will done by me (more or less, see the following). You would have to take a bit of notes the second part of your background as I would tell you Who is your Sire. Why you think the embraced you. The life you have had with your Sire until your Sire released you. How your Sire presented you to the Prince and the vampire community and a bit about the Masquerade and the town (vampire version) that you are in. There are games that are better suited for full background.
I'm not familiar with Vampire the Masquerade, but I would have to say that if the rules enforce the GM telling the players why they think something, then I have no interest in the game. You have fun writing your book, it is an enjoyable experience, but not when you aren't the author
I also challenge your assertion that there are games more suited to a full background, as in the last seven years I have had great joy in crafting backgrounds for DnD characters, and have found death to be a rarity. Then again, I've already seen why your games seem to be so deadly.
Unfortunately yes. You are trying to make us see a reading of the rule of which you have to ignore everything else in the cleric and domain descriptions. We provided quotes. We've shown you the texts, pointed you everything and yet, you keep saying that your homebrew is RAW but it is not.
I gave you a bit of your own medicine by "graciously" let you into my games. The taste is bitter isn't it? As I do unto you what you do unto us. We pointed you the RAW and RAI but keep on insisting that your homebrew interpretation is the new RAW. Yes, taken out of the context, such a reading could be interpreted that way. But have to ignore everything else in not only the PHB but also in the DMG and all other splat book in which they add a domain. Because in all splat books where there is a new domain they list everygods that might have that domain available for their clerics! So yep, you are trying to force your view on others. But you do not see it that way.
And from now on, I will leave my campaign world at home. I think you've got enough. Can we now discuss the true RAW that gods do not have all domains available to their clerics?
Edit: And check the bolded parts. You are very inconsistent in your answers...
Ah, so you were just wasting everyone's time with theater. Well, I'm sure you had a good laugh, but since you never actually bothered to address my points, then it seems that you wasted your own time as well.