D&D 5E Don't play "stupid" characters. It is ableist.

[LordEntrails]

So, if I can't role play a stupid character, can I play a smart one?

 

[Bill Zebub]

Seems to me that people are using a poorly written OP, an absence of a good definition of "stupid", an OP who won't engage, and various other distractions to avoid having to admit that there's absolutely nothing positive to be said about imitating people with disabilities as a means of comic.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

So, if I can't role play a stupid character, can I play a smart one?

How’s it go? Play stupid characters, win stupid prizes?

 

[Charlaquin]

Fair enough.

That's certainly a valid way to play. I can and do enjoy games which function that way. I'd even go so far as to say that style is at the heart of how D&D is designed.

I agree!

Personally, when I want something with a different style, my first choice would likely be a different rpg.

Different style than skilled play, you mean? Eh, I think D&D is flexible enough to work for other styles of play. And while some other games may be better for more specific styles, there’s a tradeoff there in terms of familiarity and reach, so I don’t like to judge people for choosing to play D&D over a more bespoke system.

Elsewhere I had mentioned what I see as a clash between the game people say they want and the actual game they want. That clash is, I think, present in D&D. Simultaneously, there seems to be a push for game elements which have little tangible meaning and a push to recognize real-world meaning within game elements.

I’m not quite sure what you mean by “elements which have little tangible meaning.”

 

[Charlaquin]

I am a bit opposite but get to the same place.

I see them as so broad and multidimensional that, like alignment, you can justifiably take multiple contradictory approaches to roleplaying them, and that focusing on the direct mechanical game impacts is my preferred way to do so while letting players define themselves as they see fit.

"Intelligence measures mental acuity, accuracy of recall, and the ability to reason.
INTELLIGENCE CHECKS
An Intelligence check comes into play when you need to draw on logic, education, memory, or deductive reasoning. The Arcana, History, Investigation, Nature, and Religion skills reflect aptitude in certain kinds of Intelligence checks."

So narratively a high int is completely consistent with a poor ability to reason if the accuracy of recall is great.

So a high int wizard is really good at the technical aspects of wizard spell casting and a good base for knowledge skill checks even before proficiency, but I will require the player to make any non-abstracted logical deductions, or fail to do so, on their own.

Yeah, I think we’re largely in agreement, despite arriving there from opposite directions.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

- abstract game stats that represent no more and no less than the character’s aptitude at the specific tasks they contribute to

I generally call the character's stat ''your adventuring abilities/skill''. So that's why you dont find things like farming, or basket weaving and such on the character sheet. In my book, regular average commoners dont even have stats unless they start being somewhat relevant to the adventure.

So a PC with 8 Int does not mean they'll wont be able to tie their shoes, it just mean that when it comes to use that 8 Int in an adventuring situation, they'll be a little (like you said 5% less per 2 points) less gifted than their companions.

They are still able to talk normally, count and read etc. The rest is decided by their trait/idea/flaws and the wish of the player.

EDIT to add: And the stats also represent how good you are at leveraging said stat. So in fiction, the 10 STR goliath can be stronger than the 16 STR gnome, but when it comes to using that STR, he's way less apt that the little gnome who knows how to make the most of its strength.

 

[Charlaquin]

So, if I can't role play a stupid character, can I play a smart one?

You can do whatever you want. Some people might not want to play with you if they feel the way you roleplay your characters is distasteful.

 

[Scott Christian]

Seems to me that people are using a poorly written OP, an absence of a good definition of "stupid", an OP who won't engage, and various other distractions to avoid having to admit that there's absolutely nothing positive to be said about imitating people with disabilities as a means of comic.

Not one person here - not one, has defended portraying someone who is "stupid" for comedic reasons. That is a made-up argument.

 

[Hussar]

Not one person here - not one, has defended portraying someone who is "stupid" for comedic reasons. That is a made-up argument.

Not really. That's the basic message of the OP. It's not a made-up argument, it's the core of the discussion. All this other pontificating is just so much hot air.

29 pages now of avoiding the issue in order to discuss the definition of "don't be a douche".

 

[Argyle King]

I agree!

Different style than skilled play, you mean? Eh, I think D&D is flexible enough to work for other styles of play. And while some other games may be better for more specific styles, there’s a tradeoff there in terms of familiarity and reach, so I don’t like to judge people for choosing to play D&D over a more bespoke system.

I’m not quite sure what you mean by “elements which have little tangible meaning.”

Different style than being as abstract as D&D tends to be.

For example, I'm rather fond of GURPS because I like HP to be closer to being "meat." I also enjoy a WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) approach. Likewise, I prefer active defenses over a static AC. In my head, it provides a closer connection between the what the story of the game says is happening and what the mechanics say are happening. Sometimes I also want more of a horizontal (for lack of better words) experience than the more vertical nature of 1-20 advancement.

(Dungeon Fantasy does a pretty good job at finding a middle ground between D&D style and having more detail.)

I also play Edge of the Empire for different reasons than I play D&D. In particular, while D&D has vehicle rules that do okay-enough for the occasional horse or whatever, sometimes I want more detail.

By little tangible meaning, I mean something along the lines of "what does it mean that a high level ooze/pudding had high Cha in 4E?"

Sexiest ooze ever?

Is there something especially convincing about the bubbling sounds coming from that pudding?

Is it just some random number that's a product of the game system?