TSR TSR3.5 Launches IndieGogo Campaign to "Stop" WotC

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are). The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time...

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are).

The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time of writing).

The action TSR seeks is a "Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership" which is a court declaration about the status of something in dispute.

TSR has launched a campaign to stop Wizards of the Coast

Become a Champion of TSR and Support TSR’s campaign against Wizards of the Coast!

TSR is taking a stand against Wizards of the Coast (“WOTC”) and its wrongful bullying of TSR, our trademarks, and its public libeling and slander of all those who helped create TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and products.

Wizards of the Coast has continually bullied TSR regarding TSR’s legally owned Trademarks. Wizards of the Coast has refused to answer all of TSR's repeated requests that they show any proof of their claims. Wizards of the Coast has the vast resources behind them and is implying to bring them to bear down on TSR.


The new TSR suffered widespread pushback when it launched, which they blamed on WotC, claiming that they were under a "coordinated assault across various channels being mounted.... by [WotC]" The company announced itself earlier this year, having acquired the TSR trademark after the previous holder accidentally let it lapse. It was run by Ernie Gygax, Justin LaNasa, and Stephen Dinehart. After several weeks of controversy, the company split into two -- Wonderfilled (Stephen Dinehart), and TSR (Ernie Gygax and Justin LaNasa).


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The page also indicates an intention to "fight to have WotC's legacy product disclaimer removed" from older products (that's the disclaimer on the older books available on DMs Guild which indicates that those books are products of their time) by claiming that the disclaimer portrays the creators of those older products as "as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products".


TSR will also Fight to Have the WOTC Legacy Disclaimer Removed

TSR is suing WOTC for Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership . TSR will also pursue in the near future having WOTC remove the legacy content disclaimer placed on TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and other products, and retractions of any other libel and slander which alleges that racism and other heinous beliefs are incorporated into those products.

This disclaimer attempts to make a statement of fact argument, and therefore paints all of the writers, editors, artists and consumers of those products as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products. This statement by Wizards of the Coast opens the possibility for the producers and players of these "Legacy Products" to face ridicule, and face the labeling as "bigots", "racists", "misogynists", and worse Cyber & Physical Attacks!

Wizards of the Coast legacy content disclaimer.

"We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end".


TSR3's Justin LaNasa spoke about the campaign in a YouTube video.


 

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GreyLord

Legend
Are we though? I honestly wouldn't hear anything about TSR save for this message board. But that's partially because I don't belong to a lot of other message boards related to gaming nor am I close follower of gaming news. If we ignored them we likely wouldn't hear much about them because I don't think they're producing anything that most gamers these days are interested in. And I don't mean that as an insult to them. They're going after a particular niche in what we're always told is a niche hobby to begin with.

Now that you mention it, the first part of your post actually applies to me as well. I haven't followed this stuff on my own, and would know NOTHING about it if it wasn't popularized on this board.

Brings the question of whether making stuff like this news is helping or hindering.

I do go to several other message boards, though I haven't noticed such great interest in this story on them.
 

Now that you mention it, the first part of your post actually applies to me as well. I haven't followed this stuff on my own, and would know NOTHING about it if it wasn't popularized on this board.

Brings the question of whether making stuff like this news is helping or hindering.

I do go to several other message boards, though I haven't noticed such great interest in this story on them.
I follow a number of RPG professionals on twitter (none of whom post here), and they've been talking about it. It's not just a storm in the ENWorld teacup, even though it ain't going to make the evening news any time soon.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I follow a number of RPG professionals on twitter (none of whom post here), and they've been talking about it. It's not just a storm in the ENWorld teacup, even though it ain't going to make the evening news any time soon.

It's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

It's a bunch of dumbasses essentially jumping up and down yelling "look at me look at me I'm special".
 


billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
Wasn't there one district in Texas that was infamous for being home to the majority of all patent trolls? And that litigants were basically shopping around for the right judges. and yeah, it has been talked about a lot on other more techbased forums.

Edit: something something about "best" legal system that money can buy.
Yes, but the SCOTUS curtailed much of that in 2017 with TC Heartland vs Kraft Foods.
 

HammerMan

Legend
I have now seen 2 Youtube videos saying they are in the right and this is a major blow for 'real' gamers... this is getting ugly and is going to get worse.
 



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