TSR TSR3.5 Launches IndieGogo Campaign to "Stop" WotC

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are). The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time...

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are).

The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time of writing).

The action TSR seeks is a "Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership" which is a court declaration about the status of something in dispute.

TSR has launched a campaign to stop Wizards of the Coast

Become a Champion of TSR and Support TSR’s campaign against Wizards of the Coast!

TSR is taking a stand against Wizards of the Coast (“WOTC”) and its wrongful bullying of TSR, our trademarks, and its public libeling and slander of all those who helped create TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and products.

Wizards of the Coast has continually bullied TSR regarding TSR’s legally owned Trademarks. Wizards of the Coast has refused to answer all of TSR's repeated requests that they show any proof of their claims. Wizards of the Coast has the vast resources behind them and is implying to bring them to bear down on TSR.


The new TSR suffered widespread pushback when it launched, which they blamed on WotC, claiming that they were under a "coordinated assault across various channels being mounted.... by [WotC]" The company announced itself earlier this year, having acquired the TSR trademark after the previous holder accidentally let it lapse. It was run by Ernie Gygax, Justin LaNasa, and Stephen Dinehart. After several weeks of controversy, the company split into two -- Wonderfilled (Stephen Dinehart), and TSR (Ernie Gygax and Justin LaNasa).


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The page also indicates an intention to "fight to have WotC's legacy product disclaimer removed" from older products (that's the disclaimer on the older books available on DMs Guild which indicates that those books are products of their time) by claiming that the disclaimer portrays the creators of those older products as "as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products".


TSR will also Fight to Have the WOTC Legacy Disclaimer Removed

TSR is suing WOTC for Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership . TSR will also pursue in the near future having WOTC remove the legacy content disclaimer placed on TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and other products, and retractions of any other libel and slander which alleges that racism and other heinous beliefs are incorporated into those products.

This disclaimer attempts to make a statement of fact argument, and therefore paints all of the writers, editors, artists and consumers of those products as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products. This statement by Wizards of the Coast opens the possibility for the producers and players of these "Legacy Products" to face ridicule, and face the labeling as "bigots", "racists", "misogynists", and worse Cyber & Physical Attacks!

Wizards of the Coast legacy content disclaimer.

"We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end".


TSR3's Justin LaNasa spoke about the campaign in a YouTube video.


 

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Sacrosanct

Legend
Almost every trademark TSR3 is fighting for they have either abandoned, surrendered, or are 2 weeks from throwing in the towel.

Why is TSR3 Filing Suit over Trademarks it has Already Abandoned or Surrendered?

Is there a Trademark Counsel in the house that can explain why you would ask for a summary judgement on trademarks you've already let go of?
Because it allows him to portray himself as a victim yet again and grift money from gullible backers to “own the woke “?

This feels very much like a scam, where he’s trying to get whatever money he can to pay debts he owes on other things. Just speculation of course, but that’s what it reminds me of.
 

Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
I'm not so sure at this stage. Sunlight in the form of sites like 4chan and other sites and groups have lead to this becoming extremely common and amplified. People have tried to 'debate' with people who only want to hate and hurt others, and are not interested in debate.

The best disinfectant is shutting down these hate groups, defunding and deligitmising them, and ensuring democracy is strong and vigilant enough to ensure they do not threaten people again.
Incels were a considered a joke, when they were considered at all, until they started posting manifestos and going on shooting sprees.

It's not about directly debating anyone. It's about shining a light in dangerous corners before somebody gets hurt.
 





Bill Zebub

“It’s probably Matt Mercer’s fault.”
Exactly this. LaNasa will likely keep barking about this for as long as he possibly can. Clearly, his aim is to ignite something-- anything-- in the world outside their little fan-club. Just like all other grifters of his ilk, he likely hopes that a mention in the right media at the right time will have him rolling in attention-- and rolling in all the money that would bring, of course.

Maybe his play is for a regular guest commentator appearance on his favorite cable news network.

NEXT UP: ARE GAMING COMPANIES INDOCTRINATING YOUR CHILDREN!?!?!?!?!
 

GreyLord

Legend
Not being a lawyer I haven't read a lot of court filings, but I've read a few and I don't think I've seen one that read more like the result of a couple of drunks coming up with a scheme at 2am than this one.

The whole "filing it in the jurisdiction where your lawyer lives rather than where either company is incorporated" is just the cherry on top of this particular sundae. That whole thread is just full of wow.

You'd be amazed at how many cases occur in Texas than. Sometimes it's not about where your company is, but where you think your company will have the best chance at it's case.
 

Ulfgeir

Hero
You'd be amazed at how many cases occur in Texas than. Sometimes it's not about where your company is, but where you think your company will have the best chance at it's case.
Wasn't there one district in Texas that was infamous for being home to the majority of all patent trolls? And that litigants were basically shopping around for the right judges. and yeah, it has been talked about a lot on other more techbased forums.

Edit: something something about "best" legal system that money can buy.
 

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