TSR TSR3.5 Launches IndieGogo Campaign to "Stop" WotC

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are). The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time...

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are).

The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time of writing).

The action TSR seeks is a "Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership" which is a court declaration about the status of something in dispute.

TSR has launched a campaign to stop Wizards of the Coast

Become a Champion of TSR and Support TSR’s campaign against Wizards of the Coast!

TSR is taking a stand against Wizards of the Coast (“WOTC”) and its wrongful bullying of TSR, our trademarks, and its public libeling and slander of all those who helped create TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and products.

Wizards of the Coast has continually bullied TSR regarding TSR’s legally owned Trademarks. Wizards of the Coast has refused to answer all of TSR's repeated requests that they show any proof of their claims. Wizards of the Coast has the vast resources behind them and is implying to bring them to bear down on TSR.


The new TSR suffered widespread pushback when it launched, which they blamed on WotC, claiming that they were under a "coordinated assault across various channels being mounted.... by [WotC]" The company announced itself earlier this year, having acquired the TSR trademark after the previous holder accidentally let it lapse. It was run by Ernie Gygax, Justin LaNasa, and Stephen Dinehart. After several weeks of controversy, the company split into two -- Wonderfilled (Stephen Dinehart), and TSR (Ernie Gygax and Justin LaNasa).


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The page also indicates an intention to "fight to have WotC's legacy product disclaimer removed" from older products (that's the disclaimer on the older books available on DMs Guild which indicates that those books are products of their time) by claiming that the disclaimer portrays the creators of those older products as "as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products".


TSR will also Fight to Have the WOTC Legacy Disclaimer Removed

TSR is suing WOTC for Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership . TSR will also pursue in the near future having WOTC remove the legacy content disclaimer placed on TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and other products, and retractions of any other libel and slander which alleges that racism and other heinous beliefs are incorporated into those products.

This disclaimer attempts to make a statement of fact argument, and therefore paints all of the writers, editors, artists and consumers of those products as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products. This statement by Wizards of the Coast opens the possibility for the producers and players of these "Legacy Products" to face ridicule, and face the labeling as "bigots", "racists", "misogynists", and worse Cyber & Physical Attacks!

Wizards of the Coast legacy content disclaimer.

"We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end".


TSR3's Justin LaNasa spoke about the campaign in a YouTube video.


 

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the Jester

Legend
Again circle logic, the idea that putting up a defense against an accusation is in itself am admission of guilt is patiently absurd. But clearly you can't be reasoned on this issue, with so respectfully I shall not waste any of my time. Have a wonderful day.
I asked these two before, but you haven't replied.

First, how is it circular logic? You first levied that claim at this post:

His arguments hold no water at all. I'm a "grognard." My favorite edition is still 1e (with some 2e elements). I was also playing back in the early days. Nothing in WotC's disclaimer is calling me a bigot. Nothing. And I'd posit that people who aren't bigots wouldn't assume they are being called that by the disclaimer either.

If Justin doesn't want to be called a bigot or misogynist, how about stop doing bigoted or misogynistic things, like forcing female employees to have a bikini wrestling match. Just a thought.

Where's the circular logic? I am not seeing it.

Second, how is the disclaimer slander? Who is it slandering? How?

I will now add to that:

Third, what is the accusation you claim is being made, and by whom?
 

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J.Quondam

CR 1/8
Yea, I don't think the girlfriend was the problem.
Well if it's any consolation, the guy who said that is getting some pushback from the guy who tiraded against corporate "Wizards of the Woke." So looks like there could be some slo-mo drama brewin' in the comments of nuTSR's indiegogo scam!

Which crotchety grog's One True Way will prove to be the real One True Way??
Tune in tomorrow for the exciting continuation of... The Dumb and The Reckless!
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Ancalagon

Dusty Dragon
I asked these two before, but you haven't replied.

First, how is it circular logic? You first levied that claim at this post:



Where's the circular logic? I am not seeing it.

Second, how is the disclaimer slander? Who is it slandering? How?

I will now add to that:

Third, what is the accusation you claim is being made, and by whom?
I too would like to know how this disclaimer is slander
 


Scribe

Legend
I too would like to know how this disclaimer is slander
I believe the line of logic would go.

1. Statement is made saying things may be against wizards current ideals.
2. Statement is taken to mean the content is a problem.
3. If the content is not seen by the individual to be a problem, then they believe wizards is saying they (the individual) has a problem for not 'getting' the problem with the content.

Not that I agree with this line, but thats how I could see it.
 

Levistus's_Leviathan

5e Freelancer
I brought my GF to the game back in 1981, and she's still a hard-core gamer to this day. I know this for a fact, since we've been married for over 30 years.

Anecdotal evidence, of course, but I think it beats the heck out of that guy's "girlfriends wrecked the game!" assumption.
Yea, I don't think the girlfriend was the problem.
It's just sexism. These dudes are guaranteed to largely be out-of-touch cishet white men. Sexism and "old men that yell at clouds" go hand-in-hand.
 


Levistus's_Leviathan

5e Freelancer
Seriously. The Explorer's Guide to Wildemount and Wilds Beyond the Witchlight might not be everyone's cup of tea, but they were some of the most creative and imaginative D&D books written in the last 20 years.
I mean, I see how one could call Explorer's Guide to Wildemount and similar cross-over products (M:tG books, Stranger Things/Rick and Morty Box Sets, Acq Inc) that are published by WotC "creatively bankrupt" on their part, as they're not really new ideas that WotC came up with, but I fully agree that EGtW and TWBtWT were also great and creative books. Additionally, the people complaining about WotC's "creative bankruptcy" (as if NuTSR isn't) are definitely also the same people that think Critical Role is the worst thing that ever happened to D&D and that D&D shouldn't have fairy tales and magic schools in it. They're just . . . inherently ignorant. If they read those books, they would know that they're not "creatively bankrupt", but since their only source of news on these products are likely TheRPGPundit and similar bad-faith TTRPG "journalists", they're not going to change their minds anytime soon.
 

Ancalagon

Dusty Dragon
Re: The disclaimer.

1) It's not slander because it's written, not spoken.
2) It's not libelous because it's describing ideas, not people.

It is no way slanderous or libelous.
I've always found these "it's not slander it's libel" replies to be a bit ... pedantic, and unproductive.

What would be really helpful is an explanation of why they see it as slanderous/libelous - articulate it.
 

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