Joss Whedon Allegations: The Undoing of the "Buffy" Creator

[doctorbadwolf]

At what point do you admit that you honestly, don't care?

Lovecraft's writings may be in the public domain, but folks are still making money off of them despite his history. Then there's Henry Ford (who did have a change of heart), along with IBM.

What do you think of this painting?

The quality of a given work (better than I can do, but less good than many skilled amateurs I know, in this case) is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[MNblockhead]

On the creator's part, I find that you can enjoy a person's work without actually appreciating the person themselves. There are a LOT of entertainers and others that were absolutely horrendous people (Charlie Chaplin I hear about, for example), but you can still enjoy their contributions to the arts and otherwise.

Separating the person from their work and noting the contributions of that work is probably one of the better things to do once you start realizing how flawed many of the people that are significant (not just the arts, in science and other fields) in our culture really are.

For dead artists, yes. But I just don't like spending money on content knowing it will go to certain people. So your point works for me when it comes to Alfred Hitchcock, but not for some living artists.

 

[TheSword]

A book is one thing. But a TV show or a film is comprised of the efforts of a multitude of people. Of which the showrunner is only one.

This shouldn’t stop us appreciating what everyone else contributed and enjoying the shows. In fact, considering what an ass hat he seems to have been, it’s even more remarkable.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The nature of how he wrote the relationship between Sparhawk and Ehlana takes on an extra creepy vibe when I learned Eddings' history. It was bad enough with a 40ish year old guy going back and forth with a teenager girl of "I raised this little girl" to "this little tart keeps seducing me and I can't help but have sex with her. And it was really good." back to "I raised this little girl", rinse and repeat.

Yeah, that was one of the things that stood out when I reread the trilogy. That, and the way Sparhawk speaks internally about the “fantasy Arabia” he had recently spent time in, and the homophobia, and probably other stuff. Ugh.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

A book is one thing. But a TV show or a film is comprised of the efforts of a multitude of people. Of which the showrunner is only one.

This shouldn’t stop us appreciating what everyone else contributed and enjoying the shows. In fact, considering what an ass hat he seems to have been, it’s even more remarkable.

You don't think there is any degree to which this outlook, in action, contributes to “open secrets” about creator’s behavior in order to protect one’s own carreer?

Also most books have several people involved in making them. It’s just that editors aren’t generally looking for game outside the professional circles that hire them.

 

[trappedslider]

The quality of a given work (better than I can do, but less good than many skilled amateurs I know, in this case) is irrelevant to the discussion.

You may have misunderstood my point (which may not have been communicated very well). You can say I'd totally buy the painting without caring that Hitler painted it.

EDIT: Then there are whole genres of music that would go along with Joss' treatment of women.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Yeah, that was one of the things that stood out when I reread the trilogy. That, and the way Sparhawk speaks internally about the “fantasy Arabia” he had recently spent time in, and the homophobia, and probably other stuff. Ugh.

Some of that stuff I attribute to the times when it was written. But knowing his views and actions towards children, and then writing a teenage girl essentially seducing a middle aged man who essentially was her father (so not his fault!), seemed extra creepy. Someone once told me that since his crimes were in the 60s, he totally could been a reformed person in his later years. Looking at the writing of the elenium series (early 90s), and it doesn't seem so much had changed.

 

[Parmandur]

Some of that stuff I attribute to the times when it was written. But knowing his views and actions towards children, and then writing a teenage girl essentially seducing a middle aged man who essentially was her father (so not his fault!), seemed extra creepy. Someone once told me that since his crimes were in the 60s, he totally could been a reformed person in his later years. Looking at the writing of the elenium series (early 90s), and it doesn't seem so much had changed.

That's really not something that just "gets better."

 

[TheSword]

You don't think there is any degree to which this outlook, in action, contributes to “open secrets” about creator’s behavior in order to protect one’s own carreer?

Also most books have several people involved in making them. It’s just that editors aren’t generally looking for game outside the professional circles that hire them.

No. I don’t.

This isn’t about actors keeping things quiet. They have stepped forward. You also can’t blame someone for trying to protect their career when they’re not in a position of power.

It’s about acknowledging that Buffy et al, wasn’t just Whedon’s work. So we can enjoy it for everyone else’s benefit.

Unless co-wrote, a novel is predominantly created by the writer. The editor may assist and refine. But I trust you can see there is a whole order of magnitude between that and the legions involved in a TV show. Not to mention the fact that a lot of people would have no idea who or what a showrunner is. Everyone knows the name of the person who’s book they are reading.

 

[Grendel_Khan]

I really enjoyed Cabin in the Woods when it came out in theaters, but that was the only time I saw it. (Can't decide if I liked the merman or the unicorn best....) I always have a craving to re-watch it every Halloween, but I've never been able to do it...partly because I don't want to spend more of my money on it, and partly because I don't want to ruin my good memories of the film.

In fairness to an excellent movie, Whedon didn't direct The Cabin in the Woods, and only co-wrote it.