Ukraine invasion

[Ryujin]

It isn't like anyone outside of Russia finds his justifications solid.

Well there's Belarus.

(OK, that's basically Russia)

 

[Sacrosanct]

It's always hard to know how genuine they are though. I saw that on Reddit. I remember that American airman being paraded in front of the cameras 1991.

One video thoy found the soldiers social media account in Russia and showed that.

Honestly, I don't care if it's real or not. This is the kind of messaging we need if we want a resolution with the least lives lost. If the Russians just stop fighting, and the oligarchs are tired of losing everything because Putin lost his mind, and the Russian people won't put up with a war like this, then maybe, just maybe, we can find a way to end this. It's not like Russians have ever risen up against their leadership because of an unpopular war that caused people back home to suffer before...

 

[Zardnaar]

Honestly, I don't care if it's real or not. This is the kind of messaging we need if we want a resolution with the least lives lost. If the Russians just stop fighting, and the oligarchs are tired of losing everything because Putin lost his mind, and the Russian people won't put up with a war like this, then maybe, just maybe, we can find a way to end this. It's not like Russians have ever risen up against their leadership because of an unpopular war that caused people back home to suffer before...

And look how that ended up. It's a very Russian PoV but whenever something changes like that (1917, 1991) you get something worse.

90's for us was grunge, Friends, and Sega/SNES. For them it was economic collapse, war, society collapse and a drunk in charge.

Ideally there's a ceasefire tomorrow, Russians go home etc.

Otherwise I like my PM.

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[Grendel_Khan]

I can't imagine Putin pulling back until, from his perspective, he's taught Ukraine a lesson. That could mean doing to Kyiv what he did to Grozny.

Pulling this back to gaming for a second, I genuinely don't get why some folks on here have responded to the fighting by saying they aren't interested in playing Twilight 2000 anytime soon. It's not like you play pro-Russian forces in that game--totally the opposite, in most cases. If anything it seems insanely relevant, maybe even cathartic, unless your plan is to play some sort of vile warlord bandits, which to me would be missing the point of that game in a huge way.

 

[FrogReaver]

The history of Ukraine is very interesting. A few recent highlights. (From various sources).

1991 - Ukraine declares independence following attempted coup in Moscow.
1994 - U.S., U.K. Russia and Ukraine reached an agreement for Ukraine to give up former Soviet Union nuclear weapons.
2014 - Protests broke out in Ukraine that led to their president fleeing and parliament voting to remove him. Protests in Crimea against the new interim government broke out and they demanded a referendum on Crimea's independence. Russia invades. The referendum is held while Russia occupies Crimea. The result is Crimea joins Russia. *The referendum is highly disputed as illegal/invalid.
2019 - Television comedian Volodymyr Zelensky wins presidential election run-off in a landslide victory over incumbent Petro Poroshenko.
2021 - Jan. 2021: Zelenskiy appeals to U.S. president Joe Biden to let Ukraine join NATO. In February, his government freezes the assets of opposition leader Viktor Medvedchuk, the Kremlin's most prominent ally in Ukraine.
2021 - Spring 2021: Russia begins massing troops near Ukraine's borders in what it says are training exercises.
2021 - Dec. 17 2021: Russia presents security demands including that NATO pull back troops and weapons from eastern Europe and bar Ukraine from ever joining.
2022 - Jan. 26: Washington responds to Russia's security demands, repeating a commitment to NATO's “open-door” policy while offering a “pragmatic evaluation” of Moscow's concerns. Two days later Russia says its demands not addressed.
2022 - Feb. 24: Putin authorizes “special military operations” in Ukraine. Russian forces begin missile and artillery attacks, striking major Ukrainian cities including Kiev.

 

[Thunderfoot]

True enough, but note there are 15 members of the UN Security Council. The five permanent members' veto power does dilute the power of the UN, IMO.

Up to 15. Wow.

 

[Aeson]

A former president called his actions "genius" and "savvy". Others have shown support for Russia.

I'd like to counteract them with this young lady. She's a singer from Ukraine. I think she's trying to do a series of updates. There are 2 more videos posted after this one. I hope she, and her family continue to stay safe.

 

[FrogReaver]

A former president called his actions "genius" and "savvy". Others have shown support for Russia.

Do you think that's not political? Or do you just not care?

I'm going to go ahead and say goodbye thread.

 

[Thunderfoot]

It isn't like anyone outside of Russia finds his justifications solid.

I wish I could agree with this, problem is there are a lot if small countries, mostly in Asia and Africa that depend upon aid from Russia. That means that when it comes to support in the council, all you have to have is the right combo of nations. This is why politics is never black and white or good and evil....even when it is.

 

[Aeson]

Do you think that's not political? Or do you just not care?

I'm going to go ahead and say goodbye thread.

My post is in response to an earlier comment. There are people outside of Russia that find his justification solid. I don't want to deny they exist. If I overstepped, I'm sorry.