Ms Marvel trailer

[Ixal]

I wondered at first why they would replace Brie Larson before realizing that its not Captain Marvel but Ms Marvel. That is one too many Marvel (Luckily we don't also have a DC Marvel).
And the change in powers certainly didn't help.

As for watching it, I ended my superhero cinema experience with Endgame (partially because of Covid) and don't see a reason yet to hop on again. Endgame was imo a perfect finish for a long story arc.

 

[Staffan]

I wondered at first why they would replace Brie Larson before realizing that its not Captain Marvel but Ms Marvel. That is one too many Marvel (Luckily we don't also have a DC Marvel).
And the change in powers certainly didn't help.

In the comics, Carol Danvers started as Ms Marvel when she got her DNA scrambled with some of Captain Marvel's. After some time, she was ambushed by Rogue, who was at the time part of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, which resulted in her powers and memories being drained permanently. Xavier managed to rebuild most of her memories but they were more like the memories of someone else to her, with no emotional context. She hung out with the X-Men for a while and got dragged into their Brood Saga space adventure, where the Brood (basically, Alien knockoffs) experimented on her and noted that she still had potential for powers, and reawakened her abilities at a much higher level than before – in addition to being a typical brick, she could now also control and emit immensely powerful energy, and took the name Binary.

After hanging out with the Starjammers for a while, her powers mostly receded back to her Ms Marvel levels, and she rejoined the Avengers and changes her code name to Warbird. Then, in the House of M alternate reality crossover, she was Captain Marvel in her own right, and was considered that reality's "greatest hero". Some time later, she decided to switch to Captain Marvel in the 616 as well.

That's a whole lot of backstory, and a bit too complex for one movie, so in the movies she went straight to the Captain Marvel name.

Kamala Khan, on the other hand, started out as a fangirl of Danvers', and when she got her own powers she modeled her suit off the original Ms Marvel's (although significantly more modest).

 

[Thomas Shey]

In the comics, Carol Danvers started as Ms Marvel when she got her DNA scrambled with some of Captain Marvel's. After some time, she was ambushed by Rogue, who was at the time part of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, which resulted in her powers and memories being drained permanently. Xavier managed to rebuild most of her memories but they were more like the memories of someone else to her, with no emotional context. She hung out with the X-Men for a while and got dragged into their Brood Saga space adventure, where the Brood (basically, Alien knockoffs) experimented on her and noted that she still had potential for powers, and reawakened her abilities at a much higher level than before – in addition to being a typical brick, she could now also control and emit immensely powerful energy, and took the name Binary.

After hanging out with the Starjammers for a while, her powers mostly receded back to her Ms Marvel levels, and she rejoined the Avengers and changes her code name to Warbird. Then, in the House of M alternate reality crossover, she was Captain Marvel in her own right, and was considered that reality's "greatest hero". Some time later, she decided to switch to Captain Marvel in the 616 as well.

That's a whole lot of backstory, and a bit too complex for one movie, so in the movies she went straight to the Captain Marvel name.

Honestly, its one of those overly-baroque character development lines that wouldn't even work in multiple movies. Usually something like that is the sign of multiple writers and editors pulling a character around in different directions, though I think a big part of that was just Chris Claremont's fault.

 

[Cadence]

Honestly, its one of those overly-baroque character development lines that wouldn't even work in multiple movies. Usually something like that is the sign of multiple writers and editors pulling a character around in different directions, though I think a big part of that was just Chris Claremont's fault.

The late night emergency rewrite (apparently) that led to Avengers 200 kind of set things in motion for Claremont and Avengers Annual 10...

 

[le Redoutable]

As I remember, Chris Claremont had projects for Wolverine's Origins ...

 

[Staffan]

Honestly, its one of those overly-baroque character development lines that wouldn't even work in multiple movies. Usually something like that is the sign of multiple writers and editors pulling a character around in different directions, though I think a big part of that was just Chris Claremont's fault.

A lot of that was Claremont, but I think that was an effort to "reset" Carol after some more dubious plotlines that happened before she got attacked by Rogue. I didn't include that because it wasn't directly relevant to the name stuff.

But honestly, a big part of it is just that she's been around since what, the early 70s? That's like 50 years of character development, so there's going to be a lot of it. But it's only relatively recently that she's become an A-lister – post House of M, really.

 

[Thomas Shey]

A lot of that was Claremont, but I think that was an effort to "reset" Carol after some more dubious plotlines that happened before she got attacked by Rogue. I didn't include that because it wasn't directly relevant to the name stuff.

But honestly, a big part of it is just that she's been around since what, the early 70s? That's like 50 years of character development, so there's going to be a lot of it. But it's only relatively recently that she's become an A-lister – post House of M, really.

Yeah, but even at Marvel you didn't routinely see characters jerked around that much over that much time back then (now--from things I've heard--might be a different story). Carol got particularly erratically and mis-handled.

 

[Cadence]

Yeah, but even at Marvel you didn't routinely see characters jerked around that much over that much time back then (now--from things I've heard--might be a different story). Carol got particularly erratically and mis-handled.

It was the Avengers thing for a while, Hank Pym and the Maximoff's both had issues around then. Later the Vision and Wondeman.

 

[billd91]

The late night emergency rewrite (apparently) that led to Avengers 200 kind of set things in motion for Claremont and Avengers Annual 10...

Yeah, Claremont delivered a much needed smack down with that Annual.

 

[Staffan]

It was the Avengers thing for a while, Hank Pym and the Maximoff's both had issues around then. Later the Vision and Wondeman.

One of the advantages of a team book is that you're more free to jerk around individual characters, while the team as a whole goes on.

X-Men didn't have quite as much* of that sort of stuff, perhaps because it always (or at least since Claremont took over) had a pretty strong soap opera thing going. And probably because the X-Men always had pretty big external pressures. But generally speaking, if an X-Man goes bad, it's probably because of mind control or something of that sort.

* Which does not mean "none" – Dark Phoenix is a pretty big face-heel-turn...