Picard season 2 (spoilers maybe unmarked)

[trappedslider]

I enjoyed this one.

The punk from STIV (same actor and song, I think?) on the bus was fan service but I giggled. I liked the Guinan stuff, though it was weird that she was at 10 Forward 300 years before.

looks like he learned and remembers his lesson from the last time someone asked him to turn it down lol

 

[Aeson]

why oh god why are you still watching this, if you don't like it?

I think it's to get under your skin at this point.

 

[Morrus]

I was actually kinda expecting the crew to run into Guinan in 2024. The actress playing her doesn't quite match up for me though, at least not yet. One thing that bugged me . . . shouldn't Guinan remember Picard from the two-parter episode "Time's Arrow", when the TNG crew traveled back to 1890's San Francisco?

Nah. In the current timeline, if Picard doesn't manage to change it, Star Trek: TNG doesn't happen. Times Arrow doesn't happen. They don't go back to the 1890s and meet Guinan. As soon as he fixes things on the 15th and corrects the timeline brining TNG back into existence, presumably she'll suddenly remember all that.

(Of course, that means the punk on the bus wouldn't have met Kirk and Spock)

 

[Ryujin]

Nah. In the current timeline, if Picard doesn't manage to change it, Star Trek: TNG doesn't happen. Times Arrow doesn't happen. They don't go back to the 1890s and meet Guinan. As soon as he fixes things on the 15th and corrects the timeline brining TNG back into existence, presumably she'll suddenly remember all that.

(Of course, that means the punk on the bus wouldn't have met Kirk and Spock)

And this is where time travel episodes generally start to fall apart. If Guinan doesn't already know Picard then they didn't go back to the 19th Century. If they didn't go back to the 19th Century, then a goodly number of humans would have been "eaten" by interdimensional aliens. If we're talking "butterflies" here....

 

[Morrus]

And this is where time travel episodes generally start to fall apart. If Guinan doesn't already know Picard then they didn't go back to the 19th Century. If they didn't go back to the 19th Century, then a goodly number of humans would have been "eaten" by interdimensional aliens. If we're talking "butterflies" here....

Sure. I don't think any time travel story in the history of ever holds up to scrutiny.

 

[Horwath]

this season is better, but still soooo sloooow.

episode 3&4 should have been episode 2.

too much useless filler.

idea is good, execution not so much. pace sucks.

Also, I hope Raffi gets shot soon

 

[Benjamin Olson]

this season is better, but still soooo sloooow.

episode 3&4 should have been episode 2.

too much useless filler.

I find the pacing fine this season, or at least not nearly so bad as the opening of season 1. Episodes three and four didn't strike me as particularly bloated (and I went in unenthused about a time travel plot). In any case, I've made my peace with television always having to be in lazily paced full season plot arcs now.

BUT, the fact that it's a Picard based series did remind me a couple times that the crew of the Enterprise D would have wrapped up the whole situation in about 52 minutes. And that might have involved lots of contrivances, technobabble, dei ex machina, and maybe even a plot hole or two, all just so they can reset at the end of the episode. But for all those issues I actually rewatch such episodic television, which one can just dip into for an episode or two, over and over agian if I like it, whereas modern "prestige television" seems to want to turn every story into a 7-10 hour experience, which even if I like it I'm not going to come back to.

 

[Mort]

Anyone else find it really odd that Soji isn't even mentioned after the crew finds themselves in the changed timeline?

Everyone else is tracked down even though some are nowhere near each other. But the person with the positronic brain that can, almost certainly, perform the calculations needed for the time jump, without any of the borg queen drama, isn't even brought up?

Seems like a glaring omission by the writers to not even bring her up (even if it's to exclude her being able to help or to state that she wasn't created in this timeline or something)!

 

[Horwath]

Anyone else find it really odd that Soji isn't even mentioned after the crew finds themselves in the changed timeline?

Everyone else is tracked down even though some are nowhere near each other. But the person with the positronic brain that can, almost certainly, perform the calculations needed for the time jump, without any of the borg queen drama, isn't even brought up?

Seems like a glaring omission by the writers to not even bring her up (even if it's to exclude her being able to help or to state that she wasn't created in this timeline or something)!

maybe they realized that her story line was a failure from the start, and they are ignoring it.

Same way TNG failed presenting Ferengi as main antagonist for the series and later become comedy spoof until DS9 consolidated them as superior tradesmen rather than warriors. Except one psychopath bounty hunter

 

[Benjamin Olson]

Anyone else find it really odd that Soji isn't even mentioned after the crew finds themselves in the changed timeline?

Everyone else is tracked down even though some are nowhere near each other. But the person with the positronic brain that can, almost certainly, perform the calculations needed for the time jump, without any of the borg queen drama, isn't even brought up?

Seems like a glaring omission by the writers to not even bring her up (even if it's to exclude her being able to help or to state that she wasn't created in this timeline or something)!

Odd move on a meta show level where we know who the designated series main characters are, but the premise was that the people in the Stargazer (and maybe that whole fleet) got transported (or their conciousnesses got transported) to the alternate timeline, and she wasn't there.

So the really odd thing, within universe, is that Rios and Raffi both have their own crews who have possibly been transported to this timeline and neither of them bother to check up on any of them at all.