OSR Interested in dipping my toe into OSR but don’t know where to start. Any recommendations?

[Ancalagon]

I've spoken about the GLOG before and I will do so again!

The Goblin Laws of Gaming were invented in 2016 (I think) on the goblinpunch blog (see here The GLOG ) but the the most "realized/complete" version of the rules by Skerples (the best starting point IMO - it was geared towards a medieval game, but you can remove that stuff if you don't like it): OSR: GLOG-based Homebrew v.2: Many Rats on Sticks Edition

Notable elements of the GLOG:

1: Low powered - PCs who hit level 5 are expected to retire with their riches and start an inn (or gamble it away, it's up to you!). You can keep going past the first 4 levels, but you only gain a few basic advancements, only your first 4 levels give you "class powers". PC death is not rare, and character creation is fast.

2: SOO many classes. Beside the solid intros in the two rule sets I just gave, there are many classes out there that are wildly creative and fun to play. Sure you can be a barbarian or a necromancer, but you could also be a monkey dad and be a highly valuable party member. The power at every level (well 1-4) has some faint 5e elements to it. The best Glog classes

3: Skills, not rolls. the GLOG emphasise player skills - are you cunning, can you solve problems? A good plan works (most of the time) and doesn't require a roll. Rolling means you might fail, and that might kill you.

4: fairly fast natural healing - you can have a lunch and heal 1d6+level, a bit like a short rest... the "healer cleric" is not really a thing

5: Very innovative magic system. You don't have spell slots, you have "magic dice", which you spend on spells - the more you put in, the more bang your spell has! If the magic dice is 1-3 it is kept, and 4-6 it is consumed by the spell. There are no spell levels.

6: hacking and creating is highly encouraged - almost everything is free!

edit: I forgot to mention that it is broadly compatible with B/x and similar systems.

 

[Ancalagon]

aha! A, much much better, much more eloquent post about what the GLOG is:

GLOG for Gretchlings: Or, Notes Towards a More Diverse Tabletop Roleplaying Community

This post is intended to be a central resource that explains the GLOG, extolls its virtues, and most importantly: Showcases how easily you c...

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[amethal]

That all sounds right up my alley!

I get a "best of both worlds" feel about Castles & Crusades, as an OSR game with a unified mechanic (although a +6 proficiency bonus seems more elegant to me than having DC 12 vs DC 18, even though the effect is exactly the same).

What I don't like about it is the "traditional" fantasy racial prejudice in the descriptions of the core races. Dwarves react negatively to elves, although PCs can learn to like each other ("he's a good elf, not disloyal and untrustworthy like the other elves"), and dwarves hate half-orcs. Nobody trusts half-orcs, not even other half-orcs.

I really don't like the language used to describe the racial interactions and I'd throw all that out if I ever ran the game (including the charisma check penalties dwarves get when interacting with elves and half-orcs).

 

[TeutonicBerserker]

Get BFRPG, it's a great version of BX with ascending AC, separation of race and class, and tons of free fan community support. All the pdfs are free and the physical books are sold at cost (super cheap). You can't go wrong.

 

[AnotherGuy]

What I don't like about it is the "traditional" fantasy racial prejudice in the descriptions of the core races. Dwarves react negatively to elves, although PCs can learn to like each other ("he's a good elf, not disloyal and untrustworthy like the other elves"), and dwarves hate half-orcs. Nobody trusts half-orcs, not even other half-orcs.

I really don't like the language used to describe the racial interactions and I'd throw all that out if I ever ran the game (including the charisma check penalties dwarves get when interacting with elves and half-orcs).

Most published fantasy settings have insular races, and this includes the literature.
Humanity is one race with
(i) quite limited differences between appearances (compared to the fantasy races);
(ii) can also procreate with one another; and
(iii) that also has a variety of cultural and religious separations.
And just look at us. .

All of that is vastly worse off within a fantasy setting that accentuates differences. The distrust and general outlook is easily understood. One can go Star Trek, but even Star Trek reflects racial biases. Deep Space Nine leaned heavily into this and it paid off.

All that being said, these racial social mechanics can easily be lifted out of the base game or easily amended for any setting.

 

[Mannahnin]

Get BFRPG, it's a great version of BX with ascending AC, separation of race and class, and tons of free fan community support. All the pdfs are free and the physical books are sold at cost (super cheap). You can't go wrong.

To expand on this, Basic Fantasy Role-Playing Game is one of the early-gen retroclones, and is more noticeably built off a 3E chassis, being a nice blend of B/X and 3E.

As noted, one of its salient virtues is price- the creator makes/sells it basically at cost. So PDFs are free and even print copies of the rulebooks are like $5 (might be up to $6 now), so for the price of one rulebook for many other games, one can often buy copies of BFRPG for one's entire group.

 

[amethal]

Most published fantasy settings have insular races, and this includes the literature.
Humanity is one race with
(i) quite limited differences between appearances (compared to the fantasy races);
(ii) can also procreate with one another; and
(iii) that also has a variety of cultural and religious separations.
And just look at us. .

All of that is vastly worse off within a fantasy setting that accentuates differences. The distrust and general outlook is easily understood. One can go Star Trek, but even Star Trek reflects racial biases. Deep Space Nine leaned heavily into this and it paid off.

All that being said, these racial social mechanics can easily be lifted out of the base game or easily amended for any setting.

That's the response I usually get when I bring this up.

However, C&C includes stuff like "Dwarves find inter-breeding with goblinoids to be the worst of all sins" and "Half-orcs are unsavory and contentious individuals. As outcasts, they have few friends or allies, and often live miserable and lonely lives, wary of all" which (in my opinion) goes way beyond standard fantasy tropes.

 

[payn]

That's the response I usually get when I bring this up.

However, C&C includes stuff like "Dwarves find inter-breeding with goblinoids to be the worst of all sins" and "Half-orcs are unsavory and contentious individuals. As outcasts, they have few friends or allies, and often live miserable and lonely lives, wary of all" which (in my opinion) goes way beyond standard fantasy tropes.

Oh that reminds me of a good story about the setting in Forbidden Lands. Everyone is genocidal, its nuts. I was introduced by a player who really likes the system. I got the startup PDF and read up on it. The exchange was kind of like this;

Me: Wow, how do mixed race parties work? Seems everyone hates each other and particularly humans.
Player: That was like a thousand years ago nobody really cares anymore.
Me: There is a paragraph right here that says, "it was a thousand years ago but nobody has forgotten. They still hate humans"
Player: I dont know why you are hung up on this it was a long time ago.
Me: Im not hung up, its what the setting description says!
Player: Well we dont have to play it that way.
ME: ok. So what is up with half-eleves?
Player: Oh they are either raised by elves or humans.
ME: Why is that?
Player: They just grow up in their birth communities.
ME: Um, according to the setting material half-elves come about from hostage parents, so human and elf communities dont wage war on each other...

I love the Forbidden Lands system I think it does old school in a much uniform and lite way. The setting though is not my thing yikes!

 

[AnotherGuy]

However, C&C includes stuff like "Dwarves find inter-breeding with goblinoids to be the worst of all sins" and "Half-orcs are unsavory and contentious individuals. As outcasts, they have few friends or allies, and often live miserable and lonely lives, wary of all" which (in my opinion) goes way beyond standard fantasy tropes.

Interesting.

I didn't realise dwarves could (or would want to) interbreed with goblins in the C&C setting. I would imagine though, out of all the races, the stubborn-minded dwarves to be the most insular and thus they would find inter-breeding sacrilege against their creator. Definitely roleplaying opportunities here.

I do agree the half-orc excerpt could be phrased better, for instance

Many consider half-orcs to be unsavoury and contentious creatures and these entrenched perceptions are often the reason that the majority of half-orcs find themselves to be outcasts, with few friends or allies. An unfortunate result of all this being that those that don't break this chain often live withdrawn from and wary of others.

And then build it up with a para of positives.

 

[deganawida]

I can only say that the physical description of C&C half-orcs didn't discourage my youngest (16 year old) daughter from deciding she was going to be a half-orc cleric. I think it actually encouraged her to play one. She's a bit...interesting*, so take with a grain of salt.

*Love her to death, but some of the stuff she finds interesting or cool baffle me. My best friend and I have a pact to never let her meet his daughter, for fear they'd team up to destroy the world.