this make it SOOOO very complex and case by case
What? You mean the world is filled with nuance and details, rather than simple broad classifications we can trust all the time? The devil you say!
this make it SOOOO very complex and case by case
Correction: Orion Black publicly lambasted WOTC for treating him as a diversity hire in his own words. Graeme Barber was the one in the Candlekeep Kerfluffle.This also isn't the first we've heard about WotC having a blacklist. It came up before re: Orion Black. I can't remember exactly the situation, but there was some implication that after the bust-up with WotC, Orion Black would be blacklisted by WotC and others.
Isn't this Graeme Barber, rather than Orion Black?He went well outside the scope of the assigned project by adding a playable race to a short adventure which would require a lot of extra work on the part of WOTC to add it to related works.
So you will buy from NuTSR? Zak S? Satine?
Makes sense. But if you became aware that a current or potential business partner was an "X", would you do business with them? Maybe X is a social issue, maybe it's because they embezzled from their last company, maybe its because you know that they regularly do not uphold their end of agreements...For my kind of business, which is not artistic at all, it's just not really a factor. There just isn't an opportunity for me to know the people I work with on that kind of level.
Makes sense. But if you became aware that a current or potential business partner was an "X", would you do business with them? Maybe X is a social issue, maybe it's because they embezzled from their last company, maybe its because you know that they regularly do not uphold their end of agreements...
In short, their are valid reasons not to associate professionally or personally with certain people and businesses. As such, a "blacklist" by itself is not necessarily evil or bad. Like many things, it can be used for good or bad.
Whoops. You are correct. That's what i get trying to do this from memory on the fly.Isn't this Graeme Barber, rather than Orion Black?
It's less a "blacklist" and more a "whisper network". You can loudly shout compliments towards creators who are good to work with, but to find out who the PITA folks are you have to have connections willing to tell you about their bad experiences. Which people are loathe to do - not just because of threats of lawsuits, but because in general IME managers of all stripes just don't want to talk smack about people in public but will open up if you know them personally and can talk more casually. When you find a manager who is loud about some bad former contractor/employee it's either because that manager is a loudmouth or a terrible manager (always possible) or because the actual behavior from that former contractor/employee is just so egregiously bad that it bypasses the mental filters that are in place that have that "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all" behavior active in so many of us.RPG design and production is a small incestuous pool. A blacklist doesn't have to be anything formal just people who have worked together asking for opinions. I doubt there is a list that is disseminated but almost everyone existing in RPGs has worked or knows of others in the biz.
no s@#$!Just kind of all a blur of "Pre-Covid-Times" for me, at this point...