Spelljammer Dark Sun confirmed? Or, the mysterious case of the dissappearing Spelljammer article...

[Micah Sweet]

Define "old." I'm 45, have been playing since '91, and I'm more than happy with the stuff they're producing. I don't like everything, of course, but nobody is expected to like everything. Am I enough of an "old folk"?

I'm 46, so yeah. Plenty of people my age are fans of WotC's current direction, I know. I was riffing off of another poster's "old folks" comment, but basically those who aren't fans of the current state of vanilla 5e, whatever their age, really don't matter to them.

 

[Parmandur]

Eh, I don't think they've alienated many 2e Spelljammmer fans. The phlogiston was by far the least interesting facet of the setting, and very few are showing any signs of being upset that it's been replaced by the Astral. Beyond that, the changes seem fairly minimal...

True, but I also don't think that they actually alienated huge swathes of 2E Ravenloft fans, either. They can't please everyone all the time, but they aren't aiming to hurt anyone either.

 

[vecna00]

Eh, I don't think they've alienated many 2e Spelljammmer fans. The phlogiston was by far the least interesting facet of the setting, and very few are showing any signs of being upset that it's been replaced by the Astral. Beyond that, the changes seem fairly minimal...

I'm in the camp of "I'm not upset by the change itself, but I'm super-curious as to why they chose the Astral instead of the Ethereal."

I may never know the actual answer, but I'm not upset by it.

 

[Parmandur]

I'm in the camp of "I'm not upset by the change itself, but I'm super-curious as to why they chose the Astral instead of the Ethereal."

I may never know the actual answer, but I'm not upset by it.

Probably because "Astral" is in the name.

 

[vecna00]

I'm 46, so yeah. Plenty of people my age are fans of WotC's current direction, I know. I was riffing off of another poster's "old folks" comment, but basically those who aren't fans of the current state of vanilla 5e, whatever their age, really don't matter to them.

This may sound combative, but I don't mean it to be and I apologize in advance.

If someone isn't interested in my product, I honestly wouldn't be worried about them and I would be spending my time with those who are.

 

[Micah Sweet]

This may sound combative, but I don't mean it to be and I apologize in advance.

If someone isn't interested in my product, I honestly wouldn't be worried about them and I would be spending my time with those who are.

It is what it is. Fortunately, Level Up makes me happy, and I have all the old stuff for every campaign setting I care about.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The obscenely wealthy can escape an Apocalypse. It's just everyone else that's stuck

I’ve always thought Athas needs a secret moon-based Utopia.

 

[vecna00]

It is what it is. Fortunately, Level Up makes me happy, and I have all the old stuff for every campaign setting I care about.

And there you go!

I'm not trying to make light of it, but that was me once 4e happened. I gave it shot, didn't like it, and went back to all my old 3.x stuff.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

This may sound combative, but I don't mean it to be and I apologize in advance.

If someone isn't interested in my product, I honestly wouldn't be worried about them and I would be spending my time with those who are.

Yep. Some people dislike games and stories that mix the modern real world with classic fantasy elements, or do the same with those elements and classic sci-fi futurism elements. Those folks aren’t gonna like my game, and that’s fine. They aren’t the audience.

But I’m not going to spend much time listening to thier feedback on the thing they already don’t like.

 

[humble minion]

True, but I also don't think that they actually alienated huge swathes of 2E Ravenloft fans, either.

Well, 'alienated' is probably a strong word to use. A lot of 2e Ravenloft fans (I'm talking about the diehard types over at fraternityofshadows.com who've been keeping Ravenloft alive, releasing large and generally high-quality netbooks, etc etc since 3rd ed) REALLY disliked the new take on the setting (I count myself among them, for what it's worth), but only the really hardcore can't find anything worth borrowing/appropriating etc in the new edition. As far as i can tell, general opinion is that the new Ravenloft baby is cute at times, but that still doesn't mean you had to so ruthlessly throw the old one out with the bathwater. A very casual skim over there says that most people take bits and pieces from VRGtR and just throw out the whole floating domains concept and run it in some version of the Core. And its worth noting, the posters on that board disproportionately represent the people who really liked the 2e/3e Ravenloft. I've seen a lot of posters here who say that they never enjoyed the old Ravenloft but did get interested in VRGtR.

But still, disliking the creative choices in one product (two, if you count Curse of Strahd) doesn't mean that the older school fans are actually alienated as such - they may very well buy other WotC products from here on in. After all, from WotCs point of view, if a group of fans feel alienated and decide to avoid WotCs take on Ravenloft in future - so what? It's not like WotC is going to release another Ravenloft product for them to boycott any time soon.