Spelljammer Dark Sun confirmed? Or, the mysterious case of the dissappearing Spelljammer article...

[Parmandur]

Not to me. Not in 5e.

5e blends mechanics and flavors together. It is all baked in.

As a DM, I rely on narrative adjudication − meaning, flavor is more important than mechanics for determining the outcome of a scenario.

In 5e, I refuse to fight against the tide of flavor. Period.

I want a Psion class, whose mechanics and flavor are for the purpose of actualizing psionic themes.

No, that's really not the case at all. The books encourage reflecting, fairly aggressively. Beyind what the PHB and DMG encourage, look at the Xanathar's Guide sections about each Class and teflavlring suggestions.

 

[Yaarel]

I didn't quote texts referring to a patron. I did mention a pact. I described that pact. The words I chose were to establish how the The Deep Mind can represent a psion with Warlock powers using established flavor.
I would prefer to not have words I didn't use attributed to me.

You quoted this:

Pact of The Deep Mind
Your patron is the deep recesses of your own mind, where secrets beyond mortality reside. Your deep mind is barely knowable. You are beyond Id, Ego and Super Ego -- with a fourth part containing powers occasionally beyond control.

You cited the fact that the Warlock flavor makes a "pact" with an external "patron".

 

[Parmandur]

I’m pretty sure by “warlock” they meant “two spell slots that recover on a short rest, cantrips, and individually selected class abilities to enhance the above or grant additional powers.”

Which is what a Warlock is: the flavor can be removed wholesale easily.

 

[Charlaquin]

Which is what a Warlock is: the flavor can be removed wholesale easily.

Especially when we’re talking about making a new class; like, obviously its flavor wouldn’t be the same as that of an existing class. The suggestion was very clearly to lean on the warlock’s mechanical design.

 

[Yaarel]

No, that's really not the case at all. The books encourage reflecting, fairly aggressively. Beyind what the PHB and DMG encourage, look at the Xanathar's Guide sections about each Class and teflavlring suggestions.

As a DM, I will not fight against the flavor that the Players Handbook bakes into everything. It is a sisyphean effort.

For the Psion, I require a separate class with dedicated flavor.

 

[Mind of tempest]

I’m pretty sure by “warlock” they meant “two spell slots that recover on a short rest, cantrips, and individually selected class abilities to enhance the above or grant additional powers.”

mechanics without fluff taste terrible and inspire nothing.

No, that's really not the case at all. The books encourage reflecting, fairly aggressively. Beyind what the PHB and DMG encourage, look at the Xanathar's Guide sections about each Class and teflavlring suggestions.

that all dies to the reality of what DMs want and you know it.

Which is what a Warlock is: the flavor can be removed wholesale easily.

and it still does not work for what I want.

 

[bedir than]

In 5e, I refuse to fight against the tide of flavor

Tasha's says that your Magic Missiles can be flying chickens. Flavor is very fungible.

 

[Mind of tempest]

Cleric's don't need gods, per the core rules.

then why call it a cleric? a cleric without a god is out of the job.
it is just mechanics and there is no way a philosophy grants spells or things start getting messed up real fast.

 

[bedir than]

You quoted this:

You cited the fact that the Warlock flavor makes a "pact" with an external "patron".

An external patron - huh. Is your mind outside of yourself?

 

[Mind of tempest]

I didn't say that they were working for an external power.

a warlock is pact-based theurgy they by definition do or we might as well butcher the idea of words having meaning.

An external patron - huh. Is your mind outside of yourself?

by definition no you can be dualistic or tri-listic but all of you is you.