Spelljammer Dark Sun confirmed? Or, the mysterious case of the dissappearing Spelljammer article...

[Yaarel]

Is the concept of a Psion class salient?

Yes.

Can a Psion class support three or more salient subclasses?

Yes.

There is good reason to have a Psion class.

 

[Micah Sweet]

The thing is, over the course of those 3 UAs, the demographics of people playing D&D changed. The people who were in the majority aren’t any more, and the new majority doesn’t care about psionics having a separate system than spells. They do like the concepts, but they just want those concepts to be easy to learn and play, instead of having to learn new casting mechanics.

So they waited to pull the trigger until it didn't matter anymore. Brave move.

 

[Charlaquin]

So they waited to pull the trigger until it didn't matter anymore. Brave move.

Bravery is not a virtue corporations typically hold.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Flavor is fungible.

That's another way of saying its irrelevant. I will never buy into that. It's the #1 reason I abandoned 4th ed.

 

[Parmandur]

As a DM, I will not fight against the flavor that the Players Handbook bakes into everything. It is a sisyphean effort.

No, it is not: it is easy-peasy, lemon squeezey. Flavor in 5E is always skin deep, and easy to redo.

 

[Yaarel]

The Psion class has at least five subclasses:

• Telepath: telepathy-charm-illusion
• Prescient: divination-teleportation
• Shifter: shapechange-healing-psychometabolism
• Forcer: telekinesis-fly-force-constructs
• Psionicist: half-caster (swap out spell slots for nonspell effects and alternate mechanics)

 

[Parmandur]

that all dies to the reality of what DMs want and you know it.

I know no such thing, because that is contrary to both my experience and the rules as written, let alone intended. WotC constantly encourages people to refluff, and provides exa.ples of doing so. It’s simple.

 

[Parmandur]

then why call it a cleric? a cleric without a god is out of the job.
it is just mechanics and there is no way a philosophy grants spells or things start getting messed up real fast.

The core rules disagree.

 

[Faolyn]

why not you got telepathy, people smashing things around, masters of flesh people who deal with the soul in the non-currupt make an undead army way, would it not be fun?
would you rather port it into sorcerer who barely works, graft it on top of the bloated mess of wizard or would you rather do it right?

That's not what I asked. Do we really need a levels 1-20 psionicist class?

I'm perfectly happy with my kalishtar psi knight.

 

[Parmandur]

This is the first edition since 1st ed that doesn't have a dedicated psionic class. You really think that doesn't matter?

No, I really don't think that it does. The rules provide Paionic powers, effects, and character concepts. That there is no "Class" doesn't matter.