DarkCrisis
Let her cook.
Ugh I was thinking Game of Thrones
D&D 5E What (if anything) do you find "wrong" with 5E?
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GMforPowergamers
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the funny part is that is WHY I end up playing it as much as I do... it is the compromise edition/game
DarkCrisis
Let her cook.
I was thinking game of thrones anyways lolIs there any reason, at all, to suppose that what "newbies like" is in any way consistent. Rather than varying dramatically, just like what veterans want is all over the map.
What's the Paladin, chopped liver?
No, it is not confusing the issue; it is the issue. An untrained character in 4e adds half their level. Dividing that by two would imply that a non-proficient character would add level over four, but they add nothing. Level/4 != 0, and therefore it is not true that 5e maths is 4e maths divided by two. QED.
Wait, what? There may not be elves or orcs, but there are ogier and shadowspawn. Magic is not (universally) ritualistic; weaves can be cast in seconds and can be extremely powerful, allowing the caster to obliterate enemies, physically enter dreams, and even have effects backwards through time. And most importantly, it culminates with a battle outside of reality (kinda) between the chief protagonist and the actual god of evil.. WoT is plenty high fantasy. EDIT: Wheel of Time is plenty high fantasy. World of Tiers may well not be (never heard of it). Sorry for the misunderstanding!
Medic
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Great, somehow my mother found her way onto this forum to lecture me about my preferences.
The point is I'm not not asking for everythingThis isn't very hard.
D&D doesn't model any particular fantasy tropes very well that are in literature or movies because (a) different media means that they are different, and (b) it really only models D&D well.
The more it tries and model a specific something - the less it can model anything else. When the system gets "tuned" to a particular inspiration (like AiME or Anime 5e) the less it can handle anything else, including ... D&D.
You cannot have what you want. I feel like you're at a Baskin Robbins, and instead of asking for a flavor, you keep saying, "I want all your flavors together, right now! Why won't you do that for me! Why can't you put all your flavors into a blender so I can drink it down."
There are plenty of systems that will allow you to run what you want (that aren't D&D). There are also a lot of products that you can use to modify D&D to run ... well, parts of what you ask for. There is nothing (and no product I am aware of) that will let you run all fantasy and science fiction from anime, literature, video games, and comic books, from gritty to super heroic, all together at once.
I mean, have ya tried GURPS?
I'm saying that D&D could handle something.
Unless you are saying that nothing in all fantasy after say 1995 cannot be molded to fit into D&D.
That there are not a single one. Not one fantasy character in the last 25 years that could be modeled with D&D?
The the 40% of D&D players who are younger than 26 must refer to fantasy tropes older than them to have fun with D&D and nothing created while they were alive is appropriate for D&D unless it itself was inspired by D&D?
Information superhighway, let me off!
Maybe that's something you want to develop with a trained professional.
Personally, I had a great relationship with my mom. Admittedly, she did use the "sink or swim" method of teaching. It was harsh, but it did work. I mean ... that's literally how she taught me to swim. Just took me to the river one day when I was a wee lil' Snarfling and tossed me in!
....honestly, it wasn't that hard to do, either, once I got out of the bag.
No. You seem stubbornly unable to get the point that I keep making.
D&D has never handled these tropes. It's a running joke. Seriously. Dig up old articles of Dragon Magazine from the 70s and 80s. D&D couldn't handle it back then. It doesn't do it now.
D&D does D&D. If you want a specialized genre-specific game ... play a different game. No one plays D&D to get the Tolkien experience. They play AiME (or other variants). If you want your needs catered to ... like MCU stuff (?!?), then play a superhero game. If you want something specifically Manga/Anime, they have that too!
And if you want to combine everything, use a system like GURPs.
There are solutions other than, "Make D&D worse."
Those D&D tropes are based on those fantasy works popular around the time of D&D's creation and initial popularity.
It's why Paladin is a base class and Elf is a playable race out the PHB and not Ninja and Asgardian.
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The Paladin is a base class because of Three Heart and Three Lions. That's Poul Anderson. That's a piece from the 50s (okay, the expanded version dates all the way to 1961!). But ... have you read it?
You can't actually play that Paladin with the OD&D or AD&D Paladin. Because you can't play literary characters with D&D classes.
And ... the Paladin today certainly can't model it.
And ... what, have you tried to create Legolas in OD&D? Have to spent the time statting up Gandalf?
And I don't mean this to be mean, but have you played these games that you claim work so perfectly to model this fiction? Because I have, and ... they don't.
So when you say that, for example, it's hard to model some fictional character in D&D (say, using a Monk subclass) ... most people will say, "YES. BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR 50 YEARS."
TwoSix
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