D&D 5E Being strong and skilled is a magic of its own or, how I learned to stop worrying and love anime fightin' magic

[Zubatcarteira]

A Veteran has 58 HP, so if he's leading a group of a few dozen guards and that archmage gets a good angle to cast Cone of Cold on all of them, every single guard will be turned into a frozen statue, while the Veteran will be there in the middle, hurt but still alive. My boi is pretty tough.

 

[James Gasik]

Sorcerers don't have training. It's all intuitive for them. Commoners are also not magic in any sense. I reject that premise as it does not match up with anything D&D in any edition has ever stated.

I get that. When a martial character starts being able to do things that surpass what is possible, they enter the supernatural(magic) state as the reason they can do those things. They train there physically, but the ability is quasi-magical in nature.

A 14 year old school girl from Sacramento swam the English Channel. How well do you think she would do against Orcus?

In D&D? She might be the Chosen One!

 

[dave2008]

Fantasy worlds aren't mundane.

Absolutely, they are magical - that is the explanation and I am fine with that. Are you?

 

[Haplo781]

Absolutely, they are magical - that is the explanation and I am fine with that. Are you?

Yes. And it's why a high-level fighter should be able to RULES OF NATURE.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I will. 14 year old school girl from Sacramento. Orcus. Who wins?

depends on initiative

 

[James Gasik]

Why change the damage of Fireball? It's pretty easy, really. The spell has been doing the same 1d6 per caster level since...well forever! Outside of when it kept scaling past level 10, the spell has barely changed over decades.

And uh, I just want to point out, monster hit points have increased dramatically while player damage really hasn't. Swords still do a d8. Ability score bonuses have gotten weaker over the years (remember when an 18*00 gave you +6 damage? Or when players could have scores above 20 without magic items?).

Fireball does 8d6 (8-48 damage) to a Challenge Rating 5 Troll in 5e. A Troll has 84 hit points.

Fireball does 5d6 (5-30 damage) to a Troll in 1e. A Troll has 33 hit points.

I would say, if anything, Fireball should do more than 8d6 damage to keep up with monster hit point inflation.

 

[dave2008]

Yes. And it's why a high-level fighter should be able to RULES OF NATURE.

Yes but again that is magical. It is just that magic is natural. Of course, you still need to ask, why isn't everyone doing this if it is so "natural."

Listen, I don't have any issue with a supernatural / superheroic / superpower lass that models that type of warrior. I think it can work within 5e (I've even made one and posted in April). Just don't pretend it is mundane.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Its even stranger, the 3e fireball scaled with caster level, starting at 5d6 and capping at 10d6, it was already weaker at entry. Why they decided to increase up to 8d6 as the base w/ upcasting is a mystery.

and that stupid chart that people say the whole game is balanced around says that is too much

 

[GMforPowergamers]

14 year old schoolgirl from Sacramento. How many times do I have to repeat that? You equated swimming the English Channel with being able to turn Orcus into a baseball bat, so unless you were wrong that 14 year old schoolgirl Sacramento could beat Orcus if transported to D&D exactly as she is here in the real world, right?

that 14 year old girl is like a 1st level adventurer... and no one I know is suggesting a 1st level fighter should be able to solo orcus... but a 20th level 14 year old girl should be able

 

[Maxperson]

depends on initiative

Somehow I doubt with a 14 year old school girl from Sacramento that has a high con and swimming expertise, initiative is going to matter.