I don't think you understand how metaphors work dude
D&D 5E Being strong and skilled is a magic of its own or, how I learned to stop worrying and love anime fightin' magic
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CreamCloud0
Hero
Sorcerers do have training they just don’t have book learning before they spontaneously develop their powers, but then they train themselves to have better control, more power, and thus they level up
Edit: and any old commoner might spontaneously develop sorcerer powers, we don’t know if their great great grandparents ever had a stray encounter with a dragon or touched something they shouldn’t have, every single unnamed NPC has the spark of potential to become a class-levelled character but the vast majority never act on that potential.
Sure it’s magic, but it isn’t capital M magic, it’s the fundamental magic of the fantasy setting and it’s physics that allow it to happen.
That’s improper equivalence, the 14yr old swimming the channel is impressive in our world, a fantasy 14yr old throwing down with orcus is impressive in the fantasy world, but those two 14yr olds live in different universes which have different rules and are not measured by the same measuring stick
Unrelatedly to your post, why are we always comparing the fighter to human limits of normal, that dwarven and elvish and tiefling fighter aren’t measured by human measures, maybe we need to start making sure we say fantasy!human when we discuss what’s possible for them because those fantasy!humans aren’t the same as us, unless there’s been a breakthrough and someone at some research centre has learned how to cast magic missile and I missed the news report.
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Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Bad metaphors are bad.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
No it isn't. Nothing in D&D says that this is the case. 3e labeled them supernatural. 5e has no such label, but it's clear that they are. The descriptions of those abilities are supernatural in some way. Embodying the power of the wild(Primal Champion), Totem Spirits(supernatural), etc.
A 14 year old swimming the equivalent of the English Channel is impressive in the fantasy world, too. Taking on Orcus goes way beyond merely impressive in the fantasy world.
Everything is compared to human because we are human and human is the only frame of reference we have. Fantasy humans are more or less equivalent to real world humans as the baseline, since human=human. Nothing in the write up of humans in any edition indicates that they are superior to real world humans.
To exceed human limitations is supernatural, so martial abilities that do so need to be supernatural.
Zubatcarteira
Now you're infected by the Musical Doodle
Every character already exceeds human limitations just by leveling up, no human could replicate things that they can do, like jumping from a plane and faceplanting on concrete, then just walking it off. They're already very superhuman, I think what a lot of people want is for that to go beyond super damage dealing and super surviving a lot of damage.
Very articulate argument you got there.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
I give what I get man. If you want something more, you have to stop the attitude you've been using.
It's obvious at this point that you aren't worth talking to. Bye.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
One thing I like to ask players is this:
Why does your character adventure? You are risking life and limb. Why??
You likely have over 100 gold to start a "life" with, so why adventure?
Also, although commoners might not be able to do what PCs can do, those Veterans and Archmages can do stuff PCs can do, but are still "humanoids".
Why does your character adventure? You are risking life and limb. Why??
You likely have over 100 gold to start a "life" with, so why adventure?
Also, although commoners might not be able to do what PCs can do, those Veterans and Archmages can do stuff PCs can do, but are still "humanoids".
