D&D 5E Being strong and skilled is a magic of its own or, how I learned to stop worrying and love anime fightin' magic


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Scribe

Legend
Is your objection based upon the fact that a single warrior was able to defeat such a large and threatening opponent, or upon the way that the player narrated the final blow?
Would you feel that something like a dragon matching the size of the machine would be large and powerful enough to take it down alone, but a group of human-sized warriors teaming up might be able to defeat it by physical force?
I object to the idea that a single Fighter, (applying 5e terms) would be able to defeat what is a party (if not larger) level threat, solo, and yes to narrate it in such a way as was presented in the video.

I do not believe a group of Fighters, should be able to defeat such a Monster, and that it should take a 'balanced' party with buffs, debuffs, healing, magic, and yes Magic Items, for a Fighter to be the essential spear point.

I dont hate Fighters/Martials, love them. I just absolutely believe that the game is better, when you have a diverse party with diverse roles, with strengths AND WEAKNESSES that the various party members must cover each other for. Nobody should 'swing a sword' better than a Fighter, it shouldnt be close. So take that Fighter's strength, add in the Clerics strengths, the Wizards, the Bards, and suddenly that Fighter, is greater than than he could ever be.

Its like Raid Buffs in MMO's. I love those, because your Character will never be as powerful alone, as it is when you are playing with your friends.

The idea of running a party of 4 Martial classes with no Magic and no Healing, is nonsensical to me.
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
It's just preference. I have a hard time enjoying a movie like The Kingsman because the action scenes are too cartoony. A lot of people love this kind of thing, and that's fine, but the action is so over-the-top that they cease being human beings to me. It might as well be Roger Rabbit fighting Daffy Duck.

See, this is the thing:

The only 'cartoon' things I see here are:

The guy using the D&D equivalent of a magic weapon -- which means he's doing the thing people keep saying the fighter should do and he's still getting flack for it.

The guy throwing a small, heavy thing

And the guy jumping through a hoop like happens every night at 6:30 at Cirque de Sol Le.

People being capable of having doo timing, when they're actually doing because choreography.

I get that this is a matter of taste, but if the bar is so low that being at this fairly mundane level they're' Daffy Duck (canonical wizard, btw. He has business cards), no wonder 'swing stick or swing sharpened stick' are the only things fighters are allowed to do.

And it still begs the question: why is it okay to be a fun, interesting cartoon if you wear a point hat and hand jive, but not when you're punching people?
 



Oh look. A +1 Wisdom save. So a 1 in 5 chance to not get incapacitated or worse by a level 12 wizard.
Tasha's laugh is a 1st level spell... a 3rd level wizard can throw 3ish of those, and can have a 16 stat (not going to give him max or an item he could have) for 13dc or just loose that action save again next round...

so that 'super threat' has to roll a 12 or better so there is a 60% chance I knock him out for a round (everyone take advantage and hit him and he can't hit us) then if he survives the dog pile he has to roll a 12 or better or loose another turn (another 60% chance for me)
Just multiply the probability of the first event by the second. For example, if the probability of event A is 2/9 and the probability of event B is 3/9 then the probability of both events happening at the same time is (2/9)*(3/9) = 6/81 = 2/27.

I think that means 6/10*6/10 means 36% chance I knock him out for two rounds that is better then 1 in 4

Imagine I made a battle and told the PCs if you spend a single 1st level slot from a 3rd level wizard you can roll 1d4 and if you get a 4 you can knock down a teens+ threat... that is LESS likely then 2 round stun lock (and the wizard can retry)

If that wizard is a diviner he can stack the odds by replacing rolls with pre rolls of less then 12
 


Haplo781

Legend
Tasha's laugh is a 1st level spell... a 3rd level wizard can throw 3ish of those, and can have a 16 stat (not going to give him max or an item he could have) for 13dc or just loose that action save again next round...

so that 'super threat' has to roll a 12 or better so there is a 60% chance I knock him out for a round (everyone take advantage and hit him and he can't hit us) then if he survives the dog pile he has to roll a 12 or better or loose another turn (another 60% chance for me)
Just multiply the probability of the first event by the second. For example, if the probability of event A is 2/9 and the probability of event B is 3/9 then the probability of both events happening at the same time is (2/9)*(3/9) = 6/81 = 2/27.

I think that means 6/10*6/10 means 36% chance I knock him out for two rounds that is better then 1 in 4

Imagine I made a battle and told the PCs if you spend a single 1st level slot from a 3rd level wizard you can roll 1d4 and if you get a 4 you can knock down a teens+ threat... that is LESS likely then 2 round stun lock (and the wizard can retry)

If that wizard is a diviner he can stack the odds by replacing rolls with pre rolls of less then 12
You actually multiply the likelihood of event A not happening by the likelihood of event B not happening, then subtract that from 1 for your final result.
 

Cadence

Legend
Supporter
You actually multiply the likelihood of event A not happening by the likelihood of event B not happening, then subtract that from 1 for your final result.

That gives the probability of at least one of A or B happening, right?

Was he looking for that, or for the probability that both A and B did happen?
 

Minigiant

Legend
Supporter
It's just preference. I have a hard time enjoying a movie like The Kingsman because the action scenes are too cartoony. A lot of people love this kind of thing, and that's fine, but the action is so over-the-top that they cease being human beings to me. It might as well be Roger Rabbit fighting Daffy Duck.

Then the question becomes.

How does a human with no magical enhancements and no magical spells stand up to an archfiend?

Standing still and taking flaming swords to the face and icycles to the gut isn't normal human either.
 

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