Vaalingrade
Legend
Black Widow and Hawkeye wouldn't even be a stretch.
And I guarantee you any given gym hosts at least three guys on a strength enhancing 'serum' and at least one dude enhanced by a 'sacred herb'.
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Black Widow and Hawkeye wouldn't even be a stretch.
And I guarantee you any given gym hosts at least three guys on a strength enhancing 'serum' and at least one dude enhanced by a 'sacred herb'.
Garthanos
Arcadian Knight
I have many people that are 20 strength or higher in the Gym at the University based on weight lifting and jump distances... and have seen a chick who can consistently fire 4 arrows in 6 seconds accurately (and a guy who can snap shot even faster) ... she isn't a superhero or legendary character.
The only reason those heros can be in the same group with a Scarlet Witch or Doctor Strange or even Wong is because they have the story writers special dispensation.
And I am missing Thor ( unless maybe the answer to are you the god of hammers? is yes and the DM did it is why ) and likely many others who not so coincidentally match D&D theme even better.
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But how is their jump distance with 300 pounds of gear? And does she get those accurate shots off while being fired back at and dodging what's being shot back and keeping track of where all of the non-target opponents are?
But seriously, I have yet to meet anyone on here who wouldn't be ok with upping the lifting and jumping and swimming top ends to the world record levels, and haven't seen many who would object to them being upped to Cap and BP levels. I guess I should put that in the playtest response even if it isn't relevant.
It feels to me like Thor and Captain Marvel go quite a bit beyond what the high level characters in any D&D game I've been in... and so, for me, really don't fit the D&D theme. (Haven't played much past level 14 or 16 though). Same for Dr. Strange and Scarlet Witch. The D&D casters might have a spell or two they can use that does really cool things. SW and DS by comparison can do things at that level all day (well, not really, but certainly more than once or twice without sleeping).
I would be all for a mythic adventures D&D book like PF1 had to get in the mythic tails where they start high and end godly, so that it wouldn't change anything for the zero to hero side. What are all the super high level Eterenity Press Rules like?
Is the edition with "Bounded Accuracy" an especially bad edition to try and emulate the super high power things in?
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Zubatcarteira
Now you're infected by the Musical Doodle
It'd prob be better to talk about a martial's capabilities in terms of what we think they should be able to do, rather than comparing to characters who'll be inconsistent and deal with plot armor and stuff. The Captain America in Winter Soldier is just not the same as the one in Infinity War and Endgame.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Well, it was just a snake. Not a giant snake. Not a 10 hit die combat snake of doom. He just grabbed it like any other baby would, but had enough strength that it was strangled to death. And since he was too young to learn, what little XP a normal snake gives was lost.
Garthanos
Arcadian Knight
The guy who does the snap shots even faster actually is pretty adept at doing so (though his life isn't actually threatened during this, which is also a real difference)
But when it gets down to it you just brought home the point...
The legends of Hiawatha have him firing off a dozen before the first lands.. and I do not want to be comparing high level characters to real people I very much want to be comparing to Legends but the real people are just too close.
I believe one request was that the martial should be able to pick Orcus up and use him like a club to kill all of the other things in his army, or something like that. I'm assuming that was facetious, but this topic seems to usually have lots of that and sarcasm to spare.
payn
Glory to Marik
A good question. "Super high power" how do you determine that? A fighter who can take on dozens of goblins, but falls victim to hundreds? Should a "super high power" fighter be threatened by any amount of goblins? These are question asked by both 5E and PF2 designers.
I like bounded accuracy because it helps me make sense of the setting. Why does a dragon that could wipe out all civilization put up with it? Well, in a bounded accuracy world a dragon cant wipe out towns and cities with out serious risk of injury and death. So, instead it preys on small groups. Folks often say, why does the town/city even need adventurers if they can kill the dragon themselves? Well, they would lose about 75% of the population doing so. Hiring adventurers sounds like a much better alternative.
The above story assumes a setting where the world is fantastic, but folks range from ordinary to strong. Some folks want a world that more resembles Marvel. Where the PCs (and I suppose their foes) are inherently extraordinary in a slightly more fantastic world then our own. They are awesome because they got bit by a spider or dipped in gods blood. They are unique and everyone else is ordinary. More importantly, they go from being challenged by goblins, to never being challenged by any number of goblins. PF2 was designed more for the "super high power" type of setting. A differentiation they specifically chose in the face of 5E and BA.
That said, I doubt WotC is going to give up on BA. That means trying to figure out what "super high power" means in a system with BA?
Zubatcarteira
Now you're infected by the Musical Doodle
Well, grappling a huge enemy and using them to beat other enemies up seems alright to me, you can do it in PF2e with the right feats. Maybe Orcus could be immune due to being such a powerful creature, and not wanting to make him look silly, but that kind of ability by itself I don't have an issue with.
The image of someone basically swinging a sofa (that's trying to fight back) around like they would a club kind of flummoxed me. If it's just grappling and either pushing him over or flipping him onto some people, that seems very different.
