D&D 5E Being strong and skilled is a magic of its own or, how I learned to stop worrying and love anime fightin' magic

[Garthanos]

It occured to be there is a problem with comparing to legends and myths ... In the legends the Fighter/Hero defeats the Dragon often all by themselves and D&D is a team game.

In other words the game aspect fights against that goal

(the hero teams in early era are typically mythical less legendary and get conflated with pantheons of gods or ruling classes, like the Tuatha de Danaan and Aesir or Vanir )

Even groups like the round table or the argonauts are a hundred individuals or so, superheroes are actually a better model.

 

[Zubatcarteira]

The image of someone basically swinging a sofa (that's trying to fight back) around like they would a club kind of flummoxed me. If it's just grappling and either pushing him over or flipping him onto some people, that seems very different.

There's levels to it, I guess. To straight up grab someone by the leg and swing them around like a baseball bat, you'd have to be way stronger, so it'd be hard to pull it off on Orcus unless you're way into epic level stuff. Still, doing it to a CR 5 Hill Giant when you're at higher level sounds alright to me, maybe more for a Barbarian.

 

[Garthanos]

Well, grappling a huge enemy and using them to beat other enemies up seems alright to me, you can do it in PF2e with the right feats. Maybe Orcus could be immune due to being such a powerful creature, and not wanting to make him look silly, but that kind of ability by itself I don't have an issue with.

In 4e there are everyman abilities for grappling and such that have size limits but powers do not by default have any of the same limits. When my fighter is reasonably encountering huge enemies its pretty much circumstantially guaranteed to be when I am stronger than a rhino. It's sort of a hidden fighter ability scaling factor.

 

[Garthanos]

It occured to be there is a problem with comparing to legends and myths ... In the legends the Fighter/Hero defeats the Dragon often all by themselves and D&D is a team game.

In other words the game aspect fights against that goal

We do have groups though and they get closer to Mythic at that point the Aesir and the Tuatha de Danaan and the like. The Argonauts are just too large..

Basically its why we start doing superhero comparisons for high level we have more stories about their team work.

 

[DND_Reborn]

I have many people that are 20 strength or higher in the Gym at the University based on weight lifting and jump distances...

I SEVERLY doubt that. Like, frankly, it isn't possible and I'll call you out on it.

I don't know ANYONE in the world who can leap 20 feet with a 10-FOOT run-up. I'm sure it might be possible, but no one does it as an event, so we can't know for certain. Regardless, no one in your gym is doing it.

With a decent run-up, sure, I could jump over 21' in high school, but that was with no "gear" in a skimpy track outfit and into a sand pit... But my run-up was about 55 feet IIRC.

"Lifting" 600 lbs I would believe, but only because WotC's insanely ambiguous use of the term means anything from a dead-lift (which I believe) to a military press (which 600 lb. is well beyond the world-record of a bit over 500 lb IIRC -- NO ONE at your gym is doing THAT!).

 

[lingual]

Black Widow and Hawkeye wouldn't even be a stretch.

And I guarantee you any given gym hosts at least three guys on a strength enhancing 'serum' and at least one dude enhanced by a 'sacred herb'.

But no vita-rays. That tech is lost.

 

[lingual]

Maybe they can add some martial powers that trigger off the use of hit dice. It would be easily backwards compatible. You can add in exhaustion penalties and stuff too for epic deeds of martial prowess. This way, Fighters can have their 5 minute work day too

 

[Garthanos]

I SEVERLY doubt that. Like, frankly, it isn't possible and I'll call you out on it.

I don't know ANYONE in the world who can leap 20 feet with a 10-FOOT run-up.

10 foot standing broad jump is typical football player standing broad jump ... running jumps take a lot more skill and are a poor measure because of that

 

[Vaalingrade]

I believe one request was that the martial should be able to pick Orcus up and use him like a club to kill all of the other things in his army, or something like that. I'm assuming that was facetious, but this topic seems to usually have lots of that and sarcasm to spare.

The sarcasm is strong because the whole concept is based on forcing a fantasy warrior to conform to a version of reality that makes them purposefully boring and itself isn't even our reality.

 

[Garthanos]

With a decent run-up, sure, I could jump over 21' in high school, but that was with no "gear" in a skimpy track outfit and into a sand pit... But my run-up was about 55 feet IIRC.

Yes the distance to establish a run is underestimated for a guy with 10 strength too..

My standing broad jump was 8.25 in high school