D&D 5E Being strong and skilled is a magic of its own or, how I learned to stop worrying and love anime fightin' magic

[The-Magic-Sword]

They typically can take multiple guys in a fight due to their boosted AC. In D&D terms they'dbe able to parry a dragon's claws, bite, tail, wing attacks. The dragon would have to spam breath attacks to kill Jamie with 2 hands but be cut to ribbons if it should in melee.

I never got the impression he or anyone else could take a dragon in melee, and a high level fighter in DND can objectively carve their way through an army without going down. There's no way Jaimie Lannister should have been captured by Robb Stark's men if he was high level.

 

[Maxperson]

Even if we accept they're fireballs, he can cast 3 of those right at level 6 so its not like multiple large scorch marks would make him any higher level than that.

I absolutely love how you have to reduce it to 3 in order to be right. I know of no one that uses the word "many" to mean 3.

"On the third night after Frodo and his companions had left Bree, it seemed to Frodo "that far away there came a light in the eastern sky: it flashed and faded many times."

The long and the short of it is that he took on a CR 19 Balor one on one and killed. Show me a 6th level wizard who can do that.

 

[lingual]

I don't think Martin or Tolkien were consulting the rulebooks when they wrote those stories.

 

[Minigiant]

I never got the impression he or anyone else could take a dragon in melee, and a high level fighter in DND can objectively carve their way through an army without going down. There's no way Jaimie Lannister should have been captured by Robb Stark's men if he was high level.

Robb had an army and tricked Tywin and Jamie.
Jamie tried to challenge Robb to a 1v1 but Robb used his 2 braincells and said "lol no"

A level 20 fighter can't fight several thousand men.

 

[The-Magic-Sword]

I absolutely love how you have to reduce it to 3 in order to be right. I know of no one that uses the word "many" to mean 3.

"On the third night after Frodo and his companions had left Bree, it seemed to Frodo "that far away there came a light in the eastern sky: it flashed and faded many times."

The long and the short of it is that he took on a CR 19 Balor one on one and killed. Show me a 6th level wizard who can do that.

I'm still not sure why we're taking for granted all those flashes of light are fireballs or why the other spells I mentioned can't leave the scorch marks they find later? Even Produce Flame sheds light, and I seem to remember the films showing Gandalf hurling single target blasts of fire into Nazgul at one point.

I also don't see any real evidence that the Balrog is actually as powerful as the Balor based on it, for one thing it doesn't seem to have at-will teleportation, DND also doesn't have 'lesser and greater' balor to compare it to, if that's the level 19 Balor, what is the CR of the Balors present at the fall of Gondolin? Its more likely that the Balrog Gandalf fought is toward the lower end of 10+

 

[The-Magic-Sword]

Robb had an army and tricked Tywin and Jamie.
Jamie tried to challenge Robb to a 1v1 but Robb used his 2 braincells and said "lol no"

A level 20 fighter can't fight several thousand men.

Maybe, given how low level the soldiers would be, I feel like none of them have feats of strength that push them higher than level 8-10.

 

[Oofta]

The flashes of light people saw from a distance (why is it always so obscure when Gandalf casts a spell) were not fireballs because middle earth is not The Forgotten Realms. Tolkien was not assuming D&D type magic.

Gandalf wasn't a D&D style wizard. As far as we know from what we were given in the books he just had a good fireworks provider and was using bottle rockets.

 

[Minigiant]

Maybe, given how low level the soldiers would be, I feel like none of them have feats of strength that push them higher than level 8-10.

Jon the farmboy being a 1 HD conscript doesn't constrain Jamie.

Ned's Captain takes on 2 soldiers in plate that Jamie OHKOs the guy with a dagger. That guy had to be well into Tier 2. And Jamie is converting his attack bonus to AC because he was wearing walking around clothes. And that's also with Jaime saving his Action Surge and conserving supdice because he planned to fight Ned.

And that's what I mean about high level D&D fighters not resembling real weaponmasters. It can't every replicate grim and gritty GOT nonmagical fighters.

 

[Maxperson]

I'm still not sure why we're taking for granted all those flashes of light are fireballs or why the other spells I mentioned can't leave the scorch marks they find later? Even Produce Flame sheds light, and I seem to remember the films showing Gandalf hurling single target blasts of fire into Nazgul at one point.

The films are a nearly useless point of reference. They change waaaaaay too much. Elves at Helm's Deep. Arwen getting Frodo. Aragorn being a wuss who didn't know if he wanted to be king. The books are the only trustworthy resource to go to.

I also don't see any real evidence that the Balrog is actually as powerful as the Balor based on it, for one thing it doesn't seem to have at-will teleportation, DND also doesn't have 'lesser and greater' balor to compare it to, if that's the level 19 Balor, what is the CR of the Balors present at the fall of Gondolin? Its more likely that the Balrog Gandalf fought is toward the lower end of 10+

Only 7 Balrogs were required to drive away Ungoliant, a being that scared Melkor at his prime. They were more powerful than dragons, being Maiar.

 

[Zubatcarteira]

Some of the GoT characters did have level 20 plot armor by the end, ngl.