D&D General New WOTC racism allegations regarding Hadozee and Spelljammer

[Orius]

The whole bit with the elves is an out of context reference to Spelljammer, where the hadozee allied with the elves in their space wars with the goblins and orcs. Stormwrack carried the friendship between elves and hadozee over without the Spelljammer background.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

And we are back to "everyone who does not see things my way argues in bad faith and must be banned".

You were literally saying religion (at least in a D&D world) is slavery and trying to equate a Halfling holding a lute with the previously-enslaved monkey people doing a Minstrel Show-like pose.

Yes they are not real. They are not even humans, not even close. Some people don't automatically equate black people to being the same as monkeys and can see a fictional animal inspired species as exactly that and nothing more.

Holy mother forking shirtballs. Are you seriously accusing people that don't agree with you of being racist? Equating black people with apes/monkeys has been a core part of white supremacist propaganda for literal centuries. That's what we're trying to avoid.

And killing the guy who uplifted them and then doing their own thing is plenty of free will. Even more than worshipping your creator which most species in D&D do.

It's a "white savior" type of story. That's the problem.

 

[Umbran]

You mean, once people told you what you have to see.

Mod Note:
It isn't what you have to see. It is about what we ought to see if we look at it with an empathic eye for what others have had to live with.

If you cannot set aside your reaction that you are being told what to do to see that, maybe this isn't the thread for you yet. Please reconsider how you engage with this discussion.

 

[Haplo781]

They tried that once, with 4e, and the fans emphatically rejected it.

Actually the Nentir Vale is pretty well regarded even by people who hate 4e.

 

[Umbran]

Sounds to me like this is just people looking for something to complain about.

Mod note:
Sounds to me like threadcrapping to conveniently support not having to think or take any action.

Threadcrapping in this discussion won't be tolerated. You're done in this thread.

 

[Mecheon]

It’s not Tremorsense that’s a problem for dwarves (in fact, I think that’s awesome). It’s that they all have proficiency with one of a few sets of artisan’s tools.

Completely missed that was back with dwarves and I remember folks having a bit of issue with Tremorsense despite the fact that it just seems a fun one

Yeah, artisan's tools is def on the 'stick it in backgrounds' level

 

[Mistwell]

I must have missed all those minstrel accusations when the core book with this halfling image came out.

Sometimes someone with a lute is just a iconic bard.

We were all just too busy ranting about how awful the halfling art was in general to focus on specifics.

 

[Charlaquin]

Pretty sure both the lore and art is just a coincidence that paints a bad picture. Like pretty sure everyone involved in the art did not know the minstrel thing was even a thing.

Which is exactly the problem. It clearly demonstrates that despite saying they’re aiming to be more diverse and inclusive, evidently “everyone involved” didn’t include any people of color (or if it did they weren’t listened to).

 

[Umbran]

If you look for a problem chances are you will find one.

Mod Note:
And if you refuse to look, you will never see a problem either.

If you don't want to concern yourself with it, it is time to disengage from this conversation.

 

[Haplo781]

Completely missed that was back with dwarves and I remember folks having a bit of issue with Tremorsense despite the fact that it just seems a fun one

Yeah, artisan's tools is def on the 'stick it in backgrounds' level

Yeah,, I'm in favor of making it always-on tremorsense while on stone or earth , but with a range of only 20 feet. Drop the tool proficiency and add some sort of Stand Your Ground type effect like using your reaction to neutralize forces movement or prone PB/day.