[+] The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - SPOILERS ALLOWED

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I definitely think we're going to get some deep true-to-the-TV-show orc lore soon.

 

[RuinousPowers]

Well, that's because Middle Earth doesn't have clerics. But, I'm not sure I buy that they aren't meant to be gods. Taken from the Wiki entry:



It sounds an awful lot like these are gods (or at least close enough for government work) and are meant to be seen as good. Considering even the little I know about things, it was always pretty clear that the Valar oppose Melkor and are meant to be the "good guys".

My point anyway, is that the Numenor story and the Cataclysm of Krynn are basically both retellings of the Atlantis story. Yet, one gets the pass and the other does not. I just thought it was kinda funny.

Krynn doesn't get a pass because of alignment, D&D polytheism, and the silly notion that evil, and evil gods, are necessary.

ME has one true God, and the idealized world would have everyone being in harmony with him. Krynn's idealized world has evil and good locked in perpetual struggle.

6 "Good" gods sitting idly by while a whole city is destroyed isn't normal, but on Krynn it is. Krynn, not even once.

 

[Davies]

... I think they may be implying that the One Ring's pernicious influence is partially due to its materials, given the way that Durin was acting towards the mithril. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

 

[billd91]

... I think they may be implying that the One Ring's pernicious influence is partially due to its materials, given the way that Durin was acting towards the mithril. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

I don’t believe there’s any reference to the One Ring being made of mithril. Only one of the elven rings is apparently mithril, so a variety of materials is certainly possible for any of these rings.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I don’t believe there’s any reference to the One Ring being made of mithril. Only one of the elven rings is apparently mithril, so a variety of materials is certainly possible for any of these rings.

Yeah, Mithril usually looks silver, too. The one ring looks gold.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Krynn doesn't get a pass because of alignment, D&D polytheism, and the silly notion that evil, and evil gods, are necessary.

ME has one true God, and the idealized world would have everyone being in harmony with him. Krynn's idealized world has evil and good locked in perpetual struggle.

Krynn doesn’t have an idealized world, actually. It has a default state of chaos from which the three axis of balance create enough order for mortal life to exist and have some hope of thriving.

6 "Good" gods sitting idly by while a whole city is destroyed isn't normal, but on Krynn it is. Krynn, not even once.

That’s super normal. How many RL religions lack gods who destroy, sometimes on a larger scale than other times?

Worlds like Krynn judge morality based on a scale in which mortals only really matter as a whole, not individually. That’s only a problem from a very mortal-centric perspective. If we take the setting seriously in premises, and think about them as a whole, we see worlds in which no one sat down and said in universe that the universe needs evil and evil gods. The universe just has them.


In Krynn specifically, the universe has them because the children of Chaos are gods of evil, good, and neutrality. That’s it.

No ideal, just a state of being that must be dealt with as it exists when playing in that world as written.

 

[Maxperson]

I wonder if Adar could perhaps be Maeglin, the son of Eöl the Dark Elf, and the hilt be that of Anguirel, his sword. Of course, Maeglin is supposed to have died during the Fall of Gondolin, but I suppose the writers could have him survive that (it is a stretch, I am aware) but at least he is one "known" elf who had been wholly corrupted by Morgoth.

I don't think even Maeglin would work with orcs or be referred to as their father.

 

[Maxperson]

Waldreg has shown himself to be a follower of Morgoth and Sauron, and he believes the starfall to be a sign heralding Sauron's return. Another ambiguous hint that the Stranger is Sauron, or perhaps someone sent to oppose Sauron in his imminent rise.

I took that to be an ignorant man seeing "omens" in something and taking it for Sauron's return. He didn't strike me as someone with a lot of knowledge of what the signs of Sauron's return would be.

 

[Maxperson]

Yeah, Mithril usually looks silver, too. The one ring looks gold.

It was gold, or appeared to be.

 

[RuinousPowers]

Krynn doesn’t have an idealized world, actually. It has a default state of chaos from which the three axis of balance create enough order for mortal life to exist and have some hope of thriving.

That’s super normal. How many RL religions lack gods who destroy, sometimes on a larger scale than other times?

Worlds like Krynn judge morality based on a scale in which mortals only really matter as a whole, not individually. That’s only a problem from a very mortal-centric perspective. If we take the setting seriously in premises, and think about them as a whole, we see worlds in which no one sat down and said in universe that the universe needs evil and evil gods. The universe just has them.


In Krynn specifically, the universe has them because the children of Chaos are gods of evil, good, and neutrality. That’s it.

No ideal, just a state of being that must be dealt with as it exists when playing in that world as written.

The destruction myths rely on either a single God or a pantheon with one head gid that sets all morality. Krynn is more like 3 separate pantheons with no "true morality" as each pantheon rewards its followers with eternal life and elevated positions for its faithful after death.