Dragonlance Dragonlance "Reimagined".

[DarkCrisis]

how about EVIL people shouldn't have it.


I don't even like harry potter that much I would much rather dragonlance... I just want them to fix some issues that over the last 30ish years have come up and how we as gamers have changed

Because a core tenant of the campaign world is balance. If good wizards started wiping out the evil wizards (or denying them magic) then the Neutrals would join evil to help fight back. One of the largest disasters in the worlds history is when Good started taking over everything. This can be seen in real world examples as well IE The Crusades.

You can debate what good/evil actually means in real world context but this is a game not morality class.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Because a core tenant of the campaign world is balance. If good wizards started wiping out the evil wizards (or denying them magic) then the Neutrals would join evil to help fight back. One of the largest disasters in the worlds history is when Good started taking over everything. This can be seen in real world examples as well IE The Crusades.

You can debate what good/evil actually means in real world context but this is a game not morality class.

Then stick with them being team jerseys and not try and justify all the murder as actually good, maybe?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Again, keeping magic alive is more important than good or evil in this world. If you can't accept that, DL is not for you.

that isn't good, that is neutral at best, in D&D 5e

 

[GMforPowergamers]

What history did they change?

Even so, its a matter of degree. What you're suggesting would change the essence of the setting.

Since I don't see a problem with either show nor would i with fixing this setting a bit, I can't help here. Go ask the people hateing those for destroying ToS and TNG...

 

[DarkCrisis]

What history did they change?

Even so, its a matter of degree. What you're suggesting would change the essence of the setting.

Spock now has a secret brother AND sister. Holograms existed in Starfleet before Kirk (this is explained in the new show that Pike doesnt like them and had the tech taken out of the Enterprise (hence why Kirk didnt have it either). Pike used magic crystals to travel through time... sort of. But thats pretty Trek anyways. Or he's possibly referring to the new Hyperleap mold warp speed thing that the Discovery can do which yeah seems like that might have gotten expanded on in the hundreds years later

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Because a core tenant of the campaign world is balance.

yes and in and of itself that is cool

If good wizards started wiping out the evil wizards

when did anyone (but you) say anything about whipeing out... why is the only binary choice "work with, help, defend" or "go to all out war"

(or denying them magic) then the Neutrals would join evil to help fight back.

oh god... this is hard to do without getting political but NO good people do NOT have to let evil people get power and say or the ones in the middle will side with evil people... that makes the middle guys EVIL.

One of the largest disasters in the worlds history is when Good started taking over everything. This can be seen in real world examples as well IE The Crusades.

by modern standards (both IRL and in game) the crusades were not good.

You can debate what good/evil actually means in real world context but this is a game not morality class.

then fidn word other then good and evil

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Then stick with them being team jerseys and not try and justify all the murder as actually good, maybe?

I know, like white red and black can all have all 9 alignments in it, but most (not all) good casters are renagades who don't support the power structure letting evil get so much power

 

[Alzrius]

but we are now talking about 5e\

Are we? This thread doesn't have the 5E tag in front of it.

dude, how is live fire showing you wont abuse people... congrats on being able to kill things with your magic now please don't kill people with your magic...

The purpose of a live-fire exercise is to show that you know what you're doing; the Test doesn't have an alignment qualification to it. The point is to show that you're able to be a responsible practitioner of magic, which is a separate consideration from your moral standpoint (unless you conflate "responsible" with "Good").

no country I know of has you fire live rounds at a living being to prove you can shoot... you shoot targets.

I suspect you're overextending the metaphor here, since guns lack the breadth of effects that magic is capable of.

the rule books is what I remember saying it... but the wiki is what I can link I admit the main character does show it to be diffrent.

Things like that are why I prefer to go right to the books rather than wikis; as it is, I can't help but notice that the wiki doesn't have a citation for that particular passage about erasing memories before the Test.

peace where 1/3 of all people that can alter reality are known to be evil...

Where "peace" is the absence of open warfare, yes (though as I noted last time, you could also call that detente).

nobody is saying to start a war BUT you

That is the natural end-point of your stance about how Good wizards should morally object to Evil wizards to the point of opposing them in all things. If you have them belong to separate organizations, which are naturally at odds with each other, it's going to be war. Cold war, perhaps, but war nonetheless, and so will necessarily be more destructive than how things are under the Conclave.

this isn't "evil will always be there" it's "Well since evil is going to always be there I will work with and protect evil... even from other good people"

The problem with that idea is that it isn't true. As noted previously, White Robes can and do oppose Black Robes; they simply don't make this an organizational mandate. Respecting their right to exist is not, unto itself, in contravention with being good-aligned.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Spock now has a secret brother AND sister. Holograms existed in Starfleet before Kirk (this is explained in the new show that Pike doesnt like them and had the tech taken out of the Enterprise (hence why Kirk didnt have it either). Pike used magic crystals to travel through time... sort of. But thats pretty Trek anyways. Or he's possibly referring to the new Hyperleap mold warp speed thing that the Discovery can do which yeah seems like that might have gotten expanded on in the hundreds years later

all of that and more... TBH i find all of it very trek and laugh at all the "Why did spock never tell kirk he had a sister" like he didn't hide a half brother... and with Kirk being a womanizer I might not tell MY bestfriend I had a hot sister if he acted like kirk...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Are we? This thread doesn't have the 5E tag in front of it.

yes we are talking about being reimagined by WotC now for current edition

The purpose of a live-fire exercise is to show that you know what you're doing; the Test doesn't have an alignment qualification to it. The point is to show that you're able to be a responsible practitioner of magic, which is a separate consideration from your moral standpoint (unless you conflate "responsible" with "Good").

I don't know what you think responcable means... yeah an evil person can be responcable with charm person... they most likely wont they ARE evil

I suspect you're overextending the metaphor here, since guns lack the breadth of effects that magic is capable of.

so what? that is MORE reason to make sure bad people don't have it.

Things like that are why I prefer to go right to the books rather than wikis; as it is, I can't help but notice that the wiki doesn't have a citation for that particular passage about erasing memories before the Test.

but we can't link to books and mine is from 30 years ago and in storage anyway

That is the natural end-point of your stance about how Good wizards should be morally opposed to Evil wizards.

no it is the evil view of good "If they don;t want to work with me they must want to kill me"

If you have them belong to separate organizations, which are naturally at odds with each other, it's going to be war. Cold war, perhaps, but war nonetheless, and so will necessarily be more destructive than how things are under the Conclave.

how is there not a cold war now? how do good people let evil people use magic to do evil things and stay good?!?!?!

The problem with that idea is that it isn't true. As noted previously, White Robes can and do oppose Black Robes; they simply don't make this an organizational mandate. Respecting their right to exist is not, unto itself, in contravention with being good-aligned.

nobody is 'not respecting" someone right to exsist... except white black and red robes not respecting a passifist good caster who gets 3rd level spells and doesn't want to take the death live fire test./