Dragonlance Dragonlance "Reimagined".

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Faolyn

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Just out of curiosity, what's your vision of a Neutral that isn't "kinda evil in itself"? Because if "recognizes the existence of Evil and doesn't dedicate itself to its destruction" disqualifies you from being Neutral, I'm curious about how you define that particular term.
That's the problem with neutrality and with the alignment system in general, and more specifically, with using alignment to cover both cosmic entities and personal morality.

From the standpoint of personal morality, the Krynnish gods of Neutrality are, in fact, neutral. They are gods of craft, wisdom, trade, etc. Things that are neither good nor evil (or can be used for both good or evil purposes).

In Krynn, there's supposed to be a cosmic balance of good and evil. The Krynnish Neutral gods allowed this balance to be disrupted by allowing Good to perform great evil even though by doing so, the Neutral gods went against their own divine portfolios. It is not wise to destroy a nation to stop one person. Zivilyn, god of wisdom, did nothing. There are smarter, more efficient ways to go about stopping the kingpriest. Gilean, god of knowledge, did nothing. Destroying a nation disrupts trade and the practicing of crafts. Shinare, god of trade, and Reorx, god of crafts, did nothing. By inaction, they caused the balance to tip to evil. But if they had acted to prevent the Cataclysm, the balance would not have been disrupted.

If you'll pardon the trite phrase, "Not saying no is as good as saying yes." And in a case of cosmic Good versus Evil, the Good gods performed great evil, the Neutral gods did nothing, and the Evil gods got a big boost.
 

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Faolyn

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My point. If you don't like the novels, and you don't like the Cataclysm, why the heck do you want to play Dragonlance?
I would imagine so you can fight in a good vs. evil war while on dragonback. That is the main draw of the setting. The novels and Cataclysm are background knowledge and actually pretty unimportant--unless you're trying to recreate the novels.
 


If they change Dragonlance so much that it becomes a different story (or at least a shell of the original), can they still honestly call it Dragonlance?
If the 3 wizard towers where reset to just be the moons not the good/evil spectrum
If the good gods had to after the cataclysm had been forced to leave the world so the evil gods would too (and have the cosmic imbalance be that good was getting so strong that the evil gods got 'revenge' by corrupting the god king...)

then the war still plays out as it did... is that really that different?
 

Stormonu

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If they change Dragonlance so much that it becomes a different story (or at least a shell of the original), can they still honestly call it Dragonlance?
They'll certainly try.

Using the name and discarding the contents is something a lot of companies have done over the years. Using the name gets people to look at it, because there's recognition of that name. Even D&D has done it before, with the (in)famous 4E Red box set, among other things.

Thing is, I've tried to run the old DL series modules several times, but they never stuck with the group. What I'm hoping with this new book is that they use as much of the old War of the Lance information as possible, but have the PCs start elsewhere (and it looks like that is the setup), participating in the war but not having to fill the Heroes of the Lance's shoes. I don't mind if they run across the Heroes once in a bit as they're on parallel missions, but neither being subordinates to those Heroes or doing the Heroe's job for them.
 

DarkCrisis

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I would imagine so you can fight in a good vs. evil war while on dragonback. That is the main draw of the setting. The novels and Cataclysm are background knowledge and actually pretty unimportant--unless you're trying to recreate the novels.
The main draw for who exactly? I’ve seen this brought up before.

Because it’s the most famous part of the lore? Or because WotC focused their next adventure book on it?

You don’t need the war of the lance to “ride a dragon”. Other wars happened. Other conflicts.

I mean I’ve read a lot of Dragonlance and I’d never say the setting was about one specific war. Heck it’s always been described as “Romantic Fantasy” IE chivalry and knights and magic.

“It had dragons and wars” misses the point my miles.
 
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Micah Sweet

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I like the concept of good and evil on a cosmic scale (but not how it was implemented) I like the idea of 3 houses of magic school/tower (but not how it was implemented) I love the idea of a sneaky evil goddess creating a small army of draconian warriors out of eggs of her dragon creatures. I love the idea of a death knight that was once a paladin and lost his way and now leads his own third faction in a war.

I like the idea of dragon riders on two sides of a conflict

I like the idea a world without cleric/gods
I fully support you creating a world that has all of those things. But Krynn is the novels and the history. Without them, Dragonlance wouldn't exist.
 

The main draw for who exactly? I’ve seen this brought up before.
okay what is the main draw for you?
Because it’s the most famous part of the lore? Or because WotC focused their next adventure book on it?
um both...
I mean I’ve read a lot of Dragonlance and I’d never say the setting was about one specific war. Heck it’s always been described as “Romantic Fantasy” IE chivalry and knight and magic.
then why do we need good gods to do evil things and color coded alignment based wizards? neither of those are "Romantic fantasy"
“It had dragons and wars” misses the point my miles.
then what is teh point?
 

Micah Sweet

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They'll certainly try.

Using the name and discarding the contents is something a lot of companies have done over the years. Using the name gets people to look at it, because there's recognition of that name. Even D&D has done it before, with the (in)famous 4E Red box set, among other things.

Thing is, I've tried to run the old DL series modules several times, but they never stuck with the group. What I'm hoping with this new book is that they use as much of the old War of the Lance information as possible, but have the PCs start elsewhere (and it looks like that is the setup), participating in the war but not having to fill the Heroes of the Lance's shoes. I don't mind if they run across the Heroes once in a bit as they're on parallel missions, but neither being subordinates to those Heroes or doing the Heroe's job for them.
If that's all they do, that would be fine.
 


the Jester

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I fully support you creating a world that has all of those things. But Krynn is the novels and the history. Without them, Dragonlance wouldn't exist.
Dragonlance wouldn't exist if TSR hadn't decided to publish a bunch of modules about a war fought on dragonback. The initial three novels were just there to support the module series. They grew into something more over time, given their unexpected success, but saying that Krynn wouldn't exist without them is just wrong.
 

Faolyn

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The main draw for who exactly? I’ve seen this brought up before.

Because it’s the most famous part of the lore? Or because WotC focused their next adventure book on it?

You don’t need the war of the lance to “ride a dragons”. Other wars happened. Other conflicts.

I mean I’ve read a lot of Dragonlance and I’d never say the setting was about one specific war. Heck it’s always been described as “Romantic Fantasy” IE chivalry and knight and magic.

“It had dragons and wars” misses the point my miles.
Pretty much every time I hear people explain Dragonlance, that's how I hear it described. Look online. And I mean on sites that wrote about Dragonlance before WotC announced their book. Nearly every website that talks about the setting describes it as being about the war of good versus evil, with dragons. If magic is mentioned, it talks about the three towers, not that lack of clerical magic. If the Cataclysm is mentioned, it's listed as a side note and not as the main draw of the setting. I played in the setting a lot back in college in the mid/late 90s (there was a guy who loved kender), and while the DM was not going out of his way to stick to canon, the Cataclysm wasn't even mentioned. I literally didn't learn about it until years later.
 


Micah Sweet

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Dragonlance wouldn't exist if TSR hadn't decided to publish a bunch of modules about a war fought on dragonback. The initial three novels were just there to support the module series. They grew into something more over time, given their unexpected success, but saying that Krynn wouldn't exist without them is just wrong.
The novels were written concurrently with the modules. They supported each other, and nearly every other product published for Dragonlance since then draws on material from the novels. Without them, Dragonlance would be unrecognizable.
 




DarkCrisis

Legend
as far as I am concerned what I want is base dragon lance with some slight tweeks to fit modern play
It fits modern play now.

Make a PC, pick a god (if you want), go adventure in Solomnia or Qualinest or whatever. Join the Mage Tower, I highly doubt your DM will make you do a solo game to pass the test to be a Colored Robe. Every game Ive played in or ran in DL, the DM was like "You passed your test in the downtime, onward to more adventure."

Literarily nothing written now in any book ever written stops you from adventuring in Krynn, right now.

Honestly, while my current game I DM is set in DL, it's been mostly like any other D&D game except they met some Solomnic Knights and visited some of the novel character on their way passed Solace. The Red Robe Mage will soon be up for testing and thats just going to be "In the downtime you took the test and passed" and nothing really changed. Unless the campaign revolves around the Mage Towers somehow or becomes a focus, they largely dont matter. Same with the Gods or the famous characters.

I could have put this exact same game in Faerun or Greyhawk or Mystra or Exandria with a couple of edits.
 

beancounter

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If the 3 wizard towers where reset to just be the moons not the good/evil spectrum
If the good gods had to after the cataclysm had been forced to leave the world so the evil gods would too (and have the cosmic imbalance be that good was getting so strong that the evil gods got 'revenge' by corrupting the god king...)

then the war still plays out as it did... is that really that different?

Well this reminds me of a thought experiment. How many things can they change, before it's no longer Dragonlance?

 


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