Dragonlance Dragonlance "Reimagined".

[the Jester]

Disagreeing that The War is the thematic core of the setting is gatekeeping? I think you've lost sight of that phrases intended use. Not everyone who disagrees is gatekeeping.

No, but pretending that there's some random minimum amount of reading novels and early edition modules required to have an informed opinion is. And that's the implication of every single one of the "you haven't read enough DragonLance, have you?" comments in this thread.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

From a worldbuilding perspective, Of course the gods that committed the cataclysm would want to be labeled as good. You're always the hero in your own story.

The setting books say that they're good. Of course the evil gods would claim that they're good, that's what practically all gods claim, from Lolth to Gruumsh to Moradin (when it's demonstrably false in all of these cases in 5e). However, the fact that they claim to be good doesn't mean that the books should label them good.

 

[DarkCrisis]

In this case, it really is. You're clearly saying that my opinion doesn't count because I must have only read the first trilogy.

No I’m saying your opinion is limited due to the limited amount of knowledge you have. Your opinion is still completely valid. Why should you read (or play) something that you know you don’t like after 3 novels?

I have a limited knowledge of LotRs and wouldn’t feel like I’m being gatekept if someone who’s read the Silmirillion and knew more about it then I did just because I expressed that I don’t like parts of LotRs.

But that’s me. I know what I like and not really worried if other like it or not.

Besides, your getting what you want. WotC is going to gut it and make it “the dragon war game”. Congrats.

I really don’t know why this has been talked about for pages and pages. WotC gonna WotC. Nothing I can do about it. Is what it is.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

WotC can do what they want, but I can't imagine them releasing a version of Dragonlance without the Cataclysm. Seems a bridge too far if you're capitalizing on nostalgia dollars just to gain the dubious benefit of getting rid of the good-evil dynamic a few people on a forum object to.

If you think the controversy around the Hadozee was bad, imagine the reaction if a 5e book said that the Lawful Good deities in Dragonlance literally committed genocide and are still Lawful Good.

And does the book even need to mention the Cataclysm that much? It's mostly an adventure book from what we've heard so far. They probably can just have it be in the background without giving the stupid in-world excuse from previous editions and the novels.

 

[Neonchameleon]

I have a limited knowledge of LotRs and wouldn’t feel like I’m being gatekept if someone who’s read the Silmirillion and knew more about it then I did just because I expressed that I don’t like parts of LotRs.

On the other hand if someone were to talk about the core themes and talk about something that was only vague and peripheral to Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit no matter how prominent it was in The Simlarillion I'd tell them they were talking out of their hats. No one is saying that the wider lore does not exist - but for something to be core it should be stronger in the core, not almost irrelevant in the core.

 

[DarkCrisis]

On the other hand if someone were to talk about the core themes and talk about something that was only vague and peripheral to Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit no matter how prominent it was in The Simlarillion I'd tell them they were talking out of their hats. No one is saying that the wider lore does not exist - but for something to be core it should be stronger in the core, not almost irrelevant in the core.

He didn’t say the core themes he said the war was the thematic core. The core themes are present in the original novels.

 

[RuinousPowers]

The whole Cataclysm needs to be redesigned. As it is, it just makes no sense.

So this god, who can come down and take mortal form, can't deal with his own priest. Despite having 25 Wisdom, (I'm assuming) he can't explain to his own priest that what's going on is wrong?

People say that the clerics were stripped of their powers, but they still had the mojo to enact whatever ritual had to be stopped? Where did this power come from? Why couldn't 40th level Cleric/40th level Solamnic Knight (or whatever) deal with an 18th level cleric limited to 2nd level spells?

And if Evil is so necessary to the survival of the world, why is it criminal to do those evil acts? Every murder is ensuring that Krynn won't be destroyed in a horrible flood of Good.

 

[Zardnaar]

The whole Cataclysm needs to be redesigned. As it is, it just makes no sense.

So this god, who can come down and take mortal form, can't deal with his own priest. Despite having 25 Wisdom, (I'm assuming) he can't explain to his own priest that what's going on is wrong?

People say that the clerics were stripped of their powers, but they still had the mojo to enact whatever ritual had to be stopped? Where did this power come from? Why couldn't 40th level Cleric/40th level Solamnic Knight (or whatever) deal with an 18th level cleric limited to 2nd level spells?

And if Evil is so necessary to the survival of the world, why is it criminal to do those evil acts? Every murder is ensuring that Krynn won't be destroyed in a horrible flood of Good.

Kingpriest gets killed you still have the ideology he leaves behind.

Mostly it's just a divine retribution type story.

 

[Neonchameleon]

Kingpriest gets killed you still have the ideology he leaves behind.

Mostly it's just a divine retribution type story.

Kingpriest blows up for example by trying to claim the power of matter and going up in a nuclear fireball and you've probably got a Cataclysm. Especially if their own priests do.

 

[RuinousPowers]

Kingpriest blows up for example by trying to claim the power of matter and going up in a nuclear fireball and you've probably got a Cataclysm. Especially if their own priests do.

Yeah. Something like that. He call destruction on himself through his own hubris, and accidentally cuts off the gods from the world in the process.