WotC WotC needs an Elon Musk

[Remathilis]

After that poll, I think we can say not only does WotC not need an Elon Musk, TWITTER doesn't need an Elon Musk!

 

[Umbran]

Well, things just got interesting, don't you think?

No, I really don't. I think it was repeat fan-service, nothing more meaningful than that.

Most likely it's a goof caused by two different writers going for the same in-joke. But canonically, Mysterio guessed the same three digit code that Christine Palmer from a different reality gave the MCU, and that's a helluva coincidence.

Which is why I say you should not confuse Easter-eggs for meaningful canon.

 

[BrokenTwin]

Weighing in on the MCU discussion... it honestly DID feel like they had a solid direction they were building towards (introducing and adapting the Young Avengers), but then it just kind of... didn't happen? At the time it felt really obvious that they were building in that direction, what with introducing more and more of the core Young Avengers cast in the various movies and shows. But then it just... didn't go anywhere. It still might, with Kang being set up as the new BBEG, but we're nowhere near establishing them as I thought we would be by this point. Heck, the only one currently missing offhand is Teddy, but his backstory would make him fairly complicated to add to the current MCU. Billy and Tommy wouldn't be that difficult to re-add.
And for the record, I enjoyed the comics long before the MCU happened, and I STILL think what they did with Wanda in MoM was straight up character assassination, alongside a clear swerve from what was originally forecast for her in the MCU. Just because MCU-Wanda is different from 616-Wanda doesn't mean that I can't get invested in the MCU version. If anything, it was nice having a version of the character that wasn't under constant retcons and decades of immensely varying writing quality.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

I hope to be not off-topic. I have read now Elon Musk is too busy with certain business, and I am not talking about economy.

Other point I have read Blackrock and Vanguard, the most important investment funds in the world, have changed of the owners, and this could cause a radical revoluntion in the global economy, and also in the entertaiment industry. 2023 could be a year with a lot of troubles, with mergers and acquisitions we could't imagine. And thes M&A could be with companies Hasbro has got some important partnership deal. And we could see intercompany crossovers we couldn't guess now. Some IPs could be changed of owners.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Is that a typo for 2020?

Because if not, it's some of the worst hyperbole/memory failure I've ever seen. There were only three MCU movies out by 2010 - Iron Man, Hulk, and Iron Man 2. No-one even talking about the MCU, let alone about the "MCU dying" in 2010. The MCU wasn't even discussed until Avengers in 2012.

If we're going to be real, it's 2020 when the "the MCU is done/dying" stuff started. Endgame was done, the Avengers had disassembled and lost their lynchpin, and for a lot of people, there wasn't an obvious way for the MCU to go after that. Then we had a bunch of TV series of varying quality, and that was when people really started saying that. Ain't nobody was saying that in 2010. What people said in 2010 was very different - "Iron Man 2 sucks" - that's not pretending anything. It did suck. It was not a good movie.

Regardless of all that, the MCU isn't likely to collapse under the weight of canon unless they force it to by making a bunch of movies that rely on you knowing a ton of canon. That's a choice. They don't have to do that. I mean, I will say they might, but like Wakanda, whilst it was pretty, full of good performances, and just slightly boring, didn't rely on a ton of canon knowledge, just you having watched BP1. And I expect that to continue. Ant-Man 3 seems like it might be a bit of a "The microverse is brown" car-crash, but not for excessive canon required.

Believe me, the sad oinking about 'superhero fatigue' started way early. Maybe not 2010, but real early.

People now use Endgame in hindsight, but that's not the whole story. I remember people just flat out celebrating that Thor: The Dark World wasn't as good as the others because that meant the franchise was on its way out. It's the same thing as people who keep saying D&D is dying: delicious sour grapes.

 

[Chaosmancer]

It could also be because there is starting to be pressure from Tesla shareholders to oust him as CEO of Tesla as a result of the Twitter circus.

'Elon abandoned Tesla': The EV maker's 3rd-largest individual shareholder calls for a new CEO as the Twitter circus tests investor patience

KoGuan Leo owns $3.57 billion of Tesla stock, building his stake during the pandemic when shares traded at a split-adjusted price of about $40.

www.yahoo.com

I saw a bit of this when I skimmed the various articles, seemed like a few different rumors of different factions pushing him out so I wasn't sure how true any of it was. Adds layers though, if he is being pressured by someone else, but decides to set up a Twitter poll and allow the people to vote him out, then follow their will and hide his being forced out by a different group.

 

[Umbran]

Believe me, the sad oinking about 'superhero fatigue' started way early. Maybe not 2010, but real early.

There is also an issue that movies, broadly, aren't doing so well in theaters any more.
From 2009 to 2019, total domestic box office gross was a pretty dependable $11 billion or so.

In 2020, that dropped to $2 billion, for obvious reasons. But it hasn't really recovered - this year looks to be about $7 billion.

Domestic Yearly Box Office

www.boxofficemojo.com

 

[Vaalingrade]

Sounds like a lot of yachts won't be getting smaller yachts as pets this Christmas.

 

[Chaosmancer]

I'm not sure I understand how you see canon hurting the movies.

I would say it is a combination of 3 things that are affecting reception
1) Change in economic landscape
2) Superhero fatigue
3) Studios going in a direction opposite to the desires of a sizeable portion of the fan base as is explained by various prominent podcasters on pop-culture. This along with their poor writing and plotting is driving away seats at the cinema.

Well, while I haven't seen most of the recent ones, there was a really simple version many people have been talking about.

Wandavision and Multiverse of Madness.

1) You need to have seen Wandavision to understand why Wanda is calling herself the Scarlet Witch and some of her changes.

2) If you have seen Wandavision then you know that she already learned the lesson and largely dealt with the issue which in Multiverse of Madness is driving her to go on a murderous rampage until she learns the lesson she already learned and deals with the issue she already dealt with.

You could say it is just a problem of bad writing, but it is actually deeply tied to the problems that come with Canon. You have to have seen a TV show to understand the movie, but you can't assume the people who see the movie have seen the TV show. So you try and write around it.

Additionally, there has been much speculation that the reason for Multiverse of Madness was to bring in the X-Men and Fantastic Four into the MCU, because if they had existed, they would have mattered for the canon of the movies. So to maintain canon, you need a more complicated explanation. Which is really something that already happpened with Captain Marvel, who had to be in a movie and explained before Endgame and so her movie felt rushed and shoe-horned in, because it existed largely to make sure that she was established in canon before fighting Thanos.


Maybe the studios will be able to salvage it, not saying that it cannot be done. Just saying that, at this point, you can hear the structure groaning and struggling to support the canon.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Which is why I say you should not confuse Easter-eggs for meaningful canon.

How are you supposed to be able to tell the difference?