D&D 5E The Gloves Are Off?

[Ruin Explorer]

Except among other things the history of the game supports it.

A long history of the game supports a lot of things that are not reasonable or in the rules, so that's kind of completely immaterial.

Sheesh, a long history of the game gives plenty of support to the DM who kills PCs because they forgot to say they took the blanket off.

In fact, in my narration of searching for traps I would frequently test for traps with a bit of straw held lightly in the hand or even on my tongue (being more sensitive than fingers), which has the double advantage of more lightly touching things than the most light touch of a hand and maintaining a better barrier between you and the thing touched than even the best of gloves.

Are you trying to murder me lol? I nearly fell out of my chair laughing wow argh. "We can 'im Traplicker, he's the best thief north of the Chionthar. Sure he's been a little strange since he decided to lick that blackened metal plate which had sat the bottom of a cursed tomb for 5000 years, but he's a great guy really!".

You are just doing the normal dysfunctional cry baby arguments that always come after the fact.

This from a man who is suggesting a PC should lick traps hahahahahahahahaha oh my god wow. Trying to breathe oh god.

 

[Maxperson]

I'm sorry dude, I'm laughing pretty hard at this, but if your idea of finding traps is poking around with your naked figures, I dunno, I think you're going to be missing a bunch of fingers real soon lol.

First, you keep misrepresenting what I'm saying and acting like I'm saying that touch alone finds traps. Second, do you really think that thin leather gloves will save said fingers? Fine. Put on your thin leather gloves and see what protection it gives to slicing blades.

 

[Celebrim]

This is a fundamentally unreasonable position, as highlighted by:

LOL. Things that are true are not by definition fundamentally unreasonable. I just described what I imagine is the common experience of most tables, both by my own long experience and by how often these matters come up at EnWorld.

If you are a DM who has never had a player declare in the abstract, "I check for traps" or "I search the room", then maybe I'm wrong. Or if you are a player who has never offered such a declaration without first imagining out in detail how it would be done, then maybe I'm wrong. But I suspect much more likely you are a person who is so committed to winning and not feeling embarrassment, that even the most obvious and reasonable assertion has to be contended.

Wow is all I can really say to that. You seem like you're suggesting an incredibly aggressive oppositional form of DMing, which I kind of doubt you actually practice.

And all I can say to that is that like your well poisoning, red herring, false analogy about the tripping over the blankets, a logical fallacy isn't much of an argument worth refuting.

 

[Maxperson]

It’s common clothing for an undefined environment. If the pcs are from Norway, of course they have gloves. If they’re from Cypress than gloves would be unusual and therefore not included unless specified.

The amount of context needed is huge.

If you're in Norway(or the D&D equivalent) "common" clothing is going to be cold weather clothing You aren't going to have both common clothing for the cold weather and cold weather clothing for the same cold weather. But yes, environment is going to make a difference.

 

[LordEntrails]

If the player had been wearing gloves the DM would not have necessarily described the feel of the poison or asked for the Constitution save. That is stating that the character has no gloves on. The player now having learned things about the fiction he might not have learned had he been wearing gloves now asks for a retcon of the situation where they are wearing gloves but also have been informed that there is a contact poison present.

Or, the DM screwed up. The DM made an assumption about the character and got it wrong. The DM thought the character wasn't wearing gloves. The DM never asked the player if the character was wearing gloves. The DM ASS-U-MEd and got it wrong.

That is just as valid a statement as saying the Player failed to notify the DM.

It seems like if I had to play with a few of you as DM I would have to write a 400 page diatribe on what my character wears and does under each and every situation, so that when such a DM ASS-U-MEs something wrong about my character, I can say, "on page 293, paragraph 4..."

Who the heck wants to play that way?

 

[Ruin Explorer]

First, you keep misrepresenting what I'm saying and acting like I'm saying that touch alone finds traps. Second, do you really think that thin leather gloves will save said fingers? Fine. Put on your thin leather gloves and see what protection it gives to slicing blades.

It's still extremely funny that you're suggesting poking traps with your fingers is how the (Wisdom) Perception check which is used to find traps works. It's not even an investigation check, but you seem to think it's (Dexterity)Sleight of Hand to check for traps or something.

I mean I'll give you this - at least you didn't suggest licking them!

 

[Celebrim]

A long history of the game supports a lot of things that are not reasonable or in the rules, so that's kind of completely immaterial.

Again, your entire argument has been based on the complete absence of any evidence at all, and you have the entire thread become indignant when anyone offers are rebuttal based on evidence (in my case a history of the rules of the game). You are dismissing all evidence as immaterial while treating the absence of evidence as significant.

Are you trying to murder me lol? I nearly fell out of my chair laughing wow argh. "We can 'im Traplicker, he's the best thief north of the Chionthar. Sure he's been a little strange since he decided to lick that blackened metal plate which had sat the bottom of a cursed tomb for 5000 years, but he's a great guy really!".

This from a man who licks traps hahahahahahahahaha oh my god wow. Trying to breathe oh god.

And not content with your logical fallacies, you are now finding difficulty with adhering even to the truth, as anyone can see the above passage is based on a blatant lie on your part.

 

[Greg Benage]

It's not even an investigation check

Can we talk about this? Why did they abandon the simple and intuitive spot/search distinction? Fix it in 1D&D!

 

[Maxperson]

Cold weather clothing and riding clothing don't exist. They're not on the equipment list.

Yes, because as you note the list in the PHB is bad. It's in the DMG.

"Creatures with resistance or immunity to cold damage automatically succeed on the saving throw, as do creatures wearing cold weather gear (thick coats, gloves, and the like) and creatures naturally adapted to cold climates."

Gloves are also not on the equipment list. So in your game do you have:

A) An upgraded and more detailed equipment list, like @Micah Sweet does.

or

B) Players to come to me with equipment not on the list, and I quickly work out a reasonable price

I've modified your "B" removing the parts that are completely irrelevant to my game and changing some of the rest to what I do.

There's no need for me to waste my time coming up with a list for every possible piece of gear that I can think of and pricing it. Especially since prices and availability vary depending on location, the merchant, etc.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Again, your entire argument has been based on the complete absence of any evidence at all, and you have the entire thread become indignant when anyone offers are rebuttal based on evidence (in my case a history of the rules of the game). You are dismissing all evidence as immaterial while treating the absence of evidence as significant.

I think you're a little confused about how "evidence" and "opinions" are different things lol.

In fact, in my narration of searching for traps I would frequently test for traps with a bit of straw held lightly in the hand or even on my tongue (being more sensitive than fingers)

Oh I'm sorry lol you're not directly licking the trap, you're just putting your tongue and head really near it with a piece of straw. It was a terrible misunderstanding lol.