I think they need something more, possibly not as powerful, for opponents who are not surprised but are unaware of the assassin's presence. Maybe roll an additional weapon damage die? Not major but better than the nothing we have now. We've been allowing our warlock assassin assassinate the first time he teleports across the battlefield
D&D (2024) Assassin: a simple fix
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In my last two games playing an Assassin (once an actual assassin and now playing a Swashbuckler with Assassin Armour) we tweaked it a bit so I'm not hogging screen time constantly scouting so I can open combats with surprise that we might have wanted to avoid.
In the first round if the target is unaware of ME I get my crit on my first attack. My first assassin I would attack with a bow from hiding; this guy has as Ring of Invisibility so I'm almost always "hidden" at the start of a combat.
In the first round if the target is unaware of ME I get my crit on my first attack. My first assassin I would attack with a bow from hiding; this guy has as Ring of Invisibility so I'm almost always "hidden" at the start of a combat.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Yeah that’s how I run them as well. As long as you are hidden from your target and your target hasn’t gone yet, you get the benefit. I also added the ability to move and use cunning action as a reaction when you drop an enemy to 0hp, at level 9.
shadowoflameth
Adventurer
I hoped they would play test the Assassin sub-class. With the rules revision it may be better. We'll have to see. Mr. Crawford has stated out loud and in the errata that the first round of combat is the only time that surprise happens. At my table, I may allow it at other times. 1. The description of combat in the PHB says step one is that the DM determines who's surprised, 2. Surprise is not a condition, it's described as the target being unaware of any threat. If a target is unconscious, charmed paralyzed etc. and unaware of a threat as a result, they are incapacitated but to my mind, you could very well be surprised as well. I hope that the new rules include language to say that if you are surprised or incapacitated Assassinate will work.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Yeah tbh the assassin’s main weakness is they have nothing to do as an assassin in subsequent rounds.
I think using cunning action as a reaction when you drop an enemy would help, but idk it just feels like an incomplete character option. (Almost like it should be it’s own class lol)
Here is a stab at an assassin based off the 5e one.
Key changes:
1. I replaced auto-crit with 2x sneak attack damage in 3rd level feature. This weakens it, especially for MC dips.
2. I added a poison feature at level 9. 2d6 free poison damage, with a crit rider.
3. I dropped Imposter time from 3 hours to 9 minutes.
4. Death Strike now lets you spend an action to up your next Sneak Attack on the creature to 1d12s, and on a crit save-or-die. Outside of combat, it means that an Assassin who has seen their foe gets another damage boost 1st round. In combat, burning an action to double your SA damage is only good if you can't SA on a given turn; so it still has some utility. The crit save-or-die is mostly a ribbon; most foes this is OP on have legendary resists.
5. Infiltration is (prof bonus) identities. You get them for free when you get the feature, and you can make new ones later (up to your prof bonus). This both bounds it (no books of false identities) and makes it less of a "oh well, no downtime, no feature".
Thereafter, if you adopt the new identity as a disguise, other creatures believe you to be that person until given an obvious reason not to.
In addition, if you score a critical hit with a poisoned weapon, the creature taking the poison damage must also make a constitution saving throw (DC 8 + your proficiency bonus + your intelligence bonus) or become poisoned. While poisoned this way, they repeat the saving throw at the end of each of their turns, taking your sneak attack damage dice in poison damage on failure, and the poison wearing off on success.
Your ruse is indiscernible to the casual observer. If a wary creature suspects something is amiss, you have advantage on any Charisma (Deception) check you make to avoid detection.
Key changes:
1. I replaced auto-crit with 2x sneak attack damage in 3rd level feature. This weakens it, especially for MC dips.
2. I added a poison feature at level 9. 2d6 free poison damage, with a crit rider.
3. I dropped Imposter time from 3 hours to 9 minutes.
4. Death Strike now lets you spend an action to up your next Sneak Attack on the creature to 1d12s, and on a crit save-or-die. Outside of combat, it means that an Assassin who has seen their foe gets another damage boost 1st round. In combat, burning an action to double your SA damage is only good if you can't SA on a given turn; so it still has some utility. The crit save-or-die is mostly a ribbon; most foes this is OP on have legendary resists.
5. Infiltration is (prof bonus) identities. You get them for free when you get the feature, and you can make new ones later (up to your prof bonus). This both bounds it (no books of false identities) and makes it less of a "oh well, no downtime, no feature".
Bonus Proficiencies
When you choose this archetype at 3rd level, you gain proficiency with the disguise kit and the poisoner's kit.Assassinate
Starting at 3rd level, you are at your deadliest when you get the drop on your enemies. You have advantage on attack rolls against any creature that hasn't taken a turn in the combat yet. In addition, you roll twice as many sneak attack dice on any creature that is surprised.Infiltration Expertise
Starting at 9th level, you can unfailingly create false identities for yourself. When you gain this feature, you have your proficiency bonus false identities you have managed to create. You can create a new one by spending seven days and 25 gp to establish the history, profession, and affiliations for an identity. You can't establish an identity that belongs to someone else. For example, you might acquire appropriate clothing, letters of introduction, and official- looking certification to establish yourself as a member of a trading house from a remote city so you can insinuate yourself into the company of other wealthy merchants. If you create more than your proficiency bonus false identities, you must lose track of one.Thereafter, if you adopt the new identity as a disguise, other creatures believe you to be that person until given an obvious reason not to.
Plethora of Poison
Starting at 9th level you can produce a sufficient supply of poisons. You can prepare up to your proficiency bonus in slashing or piercing weapons with poison on the blade during a short rest that last until you next take a rest. When they deal slashing damage, they also deal an additional 2d6 poison damage; if you are not wielding the weapon, the poison wears off after it deals damage.In addition, if you score a critical hit with a poisoned weapon, the creature taking the poison damage must also make a constitution saving throw (DC 8 + your proficiency bonus + your intelligence bonus) or become poisoned. While poisoned this way, they repeat the saving throw at the end of each of their turns, taking your sneak attack damage dice in poison damage on failure, and the poison wearing off on success.
Impostor
At 13th level, you gain the ability to unerringly mimic another person's speech, writing, and behavior. You must spend at least three minutes studying each of these three components of the person's behavior, listening to speech, examining handwriting, and observing mannerisms.Your ruse is indiscernible to the casual observer. If a wary creature suspects something is amiss, you have advantage on any Charisma (Deception) check you make to avoid detection.
Death Strike
Starting at 17th level, you become a master of instant death. As an action you can observe a creature you can see and study its weak spots. Once you have done this, the next time you deal sneak attack damage dice on the creature, your sneak attack damage dice become d12s. In addition, if this attack is a critical hit, it must make a Constitution saving throw (DC 8 + your Dexterity modifier + your proficiency bonus). On a failed save, the creature is reduced to 0 HP and killed.
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