Going Nuclear:1D&D

[GMforPowergamers]

Alternatively?

Play 4e.

Find sources for its rules and information. By definition, none of those sources are official WotC stuff anymore because they've already deleted everything, even the digital tools. It's the forgotten edition as it is, and it's the edition 5e ran away from as fast as it gorram could. Any books you find today will almost surely be second-hand, it's been over a decade since most of them were last printed. WotC doesn't see a dime, but you're still playing D&D and telling them: "I would play YOUR product, if you weren't such @$$#*£€$."

I love 4e so I 100% support the idea... but I still think I should be fair and point out as long as it's D&D it is advertising D&D...

 

[EzekielRaiden]

$0 direct money can still be BILLIONS indirectly.

I have freinds that don't read comics, they don't support marvel or DC and until the MCU was in phase 2 or 3 they couldn't have told you what company made what superhero... but they bought superman shirts and watched movies and cartoons. They (and millions or billions maybe) others keep those idea's those concepts the IDEA of superman or spiderman or even Ironman and venom alive and in our minds.

My mom could not on a bet tell the difference between Babylon 5, Star Trek or Star Wars... BUT she would never guess B5, she would TRY to figure out if it was star trek or star wars... I even had her once call star gate star trek. She ALSO calls Vampire and TORG "D&D"

if you help make the IP itself good and in minds eyes (by running or talking about it) you are helping keep D&D as a property valuable.

I mean...isn't that the goal? We want the property itself to still exist. We just don't want it to exist in this crappy, awful way.

I love 4e so I 100% support the idea... but I still think I should be fair and point out as long as it's D&D it is advertising D&D...

Believe me, you shouldn't be "advertising" 4e if you're using the types of resources that would enable you to play it. There's a reason discussion of that sort of thing is banned on the forums. It's, properly speaking, illegal.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I mean...isn't that the goal? We want the property itself to still exist. We just don't want it to exist in this crappy, awful way.

yes and no... because as you keep D&D alive, you make WotC money indirectly. They make tie ins with Stranger things and rick and morty and make a (hopefully) blockbuster movie... because it IS the game... you need to take that away make it LESS well known, LESS the only TTRPG everyone knows...

Believe me, you shouldn't be "advertising" 4e if you're using the types of resources that would enable you to play it. There's a reason discussion of that sort of thing is banned on the forums. It's, properly speaking, illegal.

I mean I own the books... so how is it illegal to use them?

 

[mamba]

I mean...isn't that the goal? We want the property itself to still exist. We just don't want it to exist in this crappy, awful way.

I am not so sure about that. Seems we either have the crappy version or none at all. At that point I opt for none, so someone else can take over the TTRPG market (or several grow bigger, either is an improvement over WotC by then / now).

 

[EzekielRaiden]

yes and no... because as you keep D&D alive, you make WotC money indirectly. They make tie ins with Stranger things and rick and morty and make a (hopefully) blockbuster movie... because it IS the game... you need to take that away make it LESS well known, LESS the only TTRPG everyone knows...

All of those things already exist and will already make huge amounts of money no matter what I do (though the film could still flop.) The Stranger Things tie-in has existed forever at this point, and I guarantee you WotC made most of the money they're going to make from it already. The film is due to release sometime this year, and whether or not I play a D&D-derived game in the next eight months, especially if I use an out-of-date edition, isn't going to change its sales except (possibly) negatively. Me choosing to play a 4e D&D game with four other people (wherein I tell them, "Please don't buy any WotC products, they've done a Very Bad Thing and we don't want to reward that") is in no way "advertising" nor supporting these other things. I don't watch Stranger Things, and it was already unlikely that I would watch the film (as I have heard some things that bother me about it.)

I mean I own the books... so how is it illegal to use them?

Reread what I said. I wasn't talking about books.

I am not so sure about that. Seems we either have the crappy version or none at all. At that point I opt for none, so someone else can take over the TTRPG market (or several grow bigger, either is an improvement over WotC by then / now).

I thought the point of boycotting was to encourage change, not to burn things to the ground.

 

[mamba]

I thought the point of boycotting was to encourage change, not to burn things to the ground.

I am not expecting change, if we get it, even better

 

[aco175]

I thought the point of boycotting was to encourage change, not to burn things to the ground.

Isn't that how it always starts.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I thought the point of boycotting was to encourage change, not to burn things to the ground.

THe thread name is going Nuclear...

 

[Charlaquin]

And for those of us who don't give two figs about the OGL? Which you might find to be a surprising amount?

I mean… If you enjoy Pathfinder, FATE, Mutants and Masterminds, SWSE, or basically any rpg with a core mechanic of rolling a d20, adding modifiers, and comparing to a target number, or even just appreciate that such games exist, you should care about the OGL, because none of them would exist without it.

EDIT: Or if you like 3rd party D&D supplements, those also need the OGL to exist.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I mean… If you enjoy Pathfinder, FATE, Mutants and Masterminds, SWSE, or basically any rpg with a core mechanic of rolling a d20, adding modifiers, and comparing to a target number, or even just appreciate that such games exist, you should care about the OGL, because none of them would exist without it.

where I worry about mutants and masterminds... I have to disagree.

TORG (orginal) and Rifts both had rolling a d20, adding modifiers, and comparing to a target number in 2e era (late 80s early 90s)