It is time to forgive WOTC and get back onboard.

[Aldarc]

If your game is different, why use OGL at all? Yes, back in 2001, it was the only available license... but today, just use CC.

I also don't think wotc tried to burn them all down. They tried to burn down a few specific ones, and porbably didn't mind all others catching fire too.

I believe we call that "gross negligence." But we should probably send WotC a Hallmark card, maybe with cash inside, thanking them for only trying to burn down some but not all fruit stands but then failing in their attempts to do so only because they were caught in the act. They make cards for that, right?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

... we should probably send WotC a Hallmark card, maybe with cash inside, thanking them...

Interesting... why would "you" want do that?
Whoever "we" is.

 

[Aldarc]

Interesting... why would "you" want do that?
Whoever "we" is.

There is probably more fruitful discussion to be had than spending pages upon pages debating the use of "they" when talking about WotC or your quibbling with my use of pronouns here, preferrably in a way that didn't try to sidestep the main points I am making.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

There is probably more fruitful discussion to be had than spending pages upon pages debating the use of "they" when talking about WotC or your quibbling with my use of pronouns here, preferrably in a way that didn't try to sidestep the main points I am making.

Maybe stop sarcasm or analogies yourself.
And don't attribute things to other posters.
Then we have a fruitful discussion. Although, the use of fruits in the analogies might make up for it.

So. Just want to make clear: I would not send them a thank you card with money in it. I would not even consider that.
I just buy their products if they seem worth the price to me, encouraging the designers to do more products I like.

 

[Enrahim2]

If your game is different, why use OGL at all? Yes, back in 2001, it was the only available license... but today, just use CC.

I also don't think wotc tried to burn them all down. They tried to burn down a few specific ones, and porbably didn't mind all others catching fire too.

OGL was not made and presented as a way to use and create D&D material. It was presented as a GPL like license tailored for tabletop RPGs. There went significant lawyer resources into trying to ensure it was as good a fit to the needs of the tabletop rpg community in general as possible.

Hence, what make most sense - publish under a tailored license the entire industry knows and respect, or under a licence mostly used for images, with little precedence for how to use with complex derived text products?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Hence, what make most sense - publish under a tailored license the entire industry knows and respect, or under a licence mostly used for images, with little precedence for how to use with complex derived text products?

That is a point. But OGL is 20 years old and it probably is not a bad idea to use a more modern one.
So, maybe ORC will be the one. Or stay with OGL 1.0a. Does not make a difference to me. But soon there will be enough to chose from.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Mod Note:

Lets all keep the snark and personal jabs to a minimum, please. The topic is intrinsically divisive enough without raising the tension with rhetoric.

 

[teitan]

If your game is different, why use OGL at all? Yes, back in 2001, it was the only available license... but today, just use CC.

I also don't think wotc tried to burn them all down. They tried to burn down a few specific ones, and porbably didn't mind all others catching fire too.

Or alternatively… why use the OGL and make your own OGL like some other publishers have. It’s not a situation where we need to have this one specific license out there.

I also don’t think (not directed at you at all) WOtC cares enough about it now, with releasing 5.1 into CC? Why would they care about the OGL when they released their money maker into the wild with a more open license? One they can’t control? If someone could explain why they would do that now other than as a “gotcha” i would actually appreciate it. The argument is the 1.0a needs enshrined to protect what’s in OGC now through it, well, what’s out there isn’t WOTC’s repsonsibility to preserve but if they don’t have a reason to revoke it, then what else is there? 5e revised, OneDnD, whatever, will have a compatibility license, like 3e. It will get a logo and everything they wanted from their new OGL will be in that. That’s the rub. That’s all that will happen because it’s all they needed to do just like they did with the D20 System Trademark License.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Or alternatively… why use the OGL and make your own OGL like some other publishers have. It’s not a situation where we need to have this one specific license out there.

I also don’t think (not directed at you at all) WOtC cares enough about it now, with releasing 5.1 into CC? Why would they care about the OGL when they released their money maker into the wild with a more open license? One they can’t control? If someone could explain why they would do that now other than as a “gotcha” i would actually appreciate it. The argument is the 1.0a needs enshrined to protect what’s in OGC now through it, well, what’s out there isn’t WOTC’s repsonsibility to preserve but if they don’t have a reason to revoke it, then what else is there? 5e revised, OneDnD, whatever, will have a compatibility license, like 3e. It will get a logo and everything they wanted from their new OGL will be in that. That’s the rub. That’s all that will happen because it’s all they needed to do just like they did with the D20 System Trademark License.

Ok. Somehow I misunerstood you. Or I could not follow at some point. But I think I agree.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

We are used to a type of service, and then they wanted to change these. We complained because that wasn't the type of product we wanted to buy. There was a lot of noise in internet, but this was the market when they wanted to make money. Then they had to open the eyes.

It has been one of the worst mistakes in the history of D&D, maybe in the list of the five worst ones. But the industry still needs Hasbro/WotC. Thanks them the hobby is more popular than ever, and this is good even for the rest of publishers, including others with a different game system.

You have all the right to untrust them, but I warn you the resentment is not going to help at all. And I say from my own experience.