D&D General Why a PETITION: Stop Hasbro's hurtful content is a Bad Idea

[Justice and Rule]

Who said "we shouldn't be having this discussion"? Plenty of people have said they disagree with the suggestions in the petition, but that's part of having a discussion.

When you are saying "We shouldn't be doing this at all", you're basically not having a discussion on the topic but about the topic. Again, we've had that sort of discussion; it was over a year ago and over a century of pages. I remember it because I was there. The whole point of the thread is to engage with the topic, which a bunch of people immediately didn't.

But if I state that WOTC has no obligation to do anything about something published decades ago and why I think that, I'm engaging in discussion. I just disagree.

No, you're not because that's not what the discussion is about. To use a previously used example, if someone doesn't want to discuss certain game systems in their "I'm looking for a new system..." topic and you bring it up, you're not really discussing the topic because the ground rules of the topic included not discussing those systems. I think at a certain level you could just call it "Threadcrapping", where you are just not engaging with the OP in the basic premise (that this needs to be fixed or something should be done) and thus why are you in the topic in the first place?

 

[Oofta]

When you are saying "We shouldn't be doing this at all", you're basically not having a discussion on the topic but about the topic. Again, we've had that sort of discussion; it was over a year ago and over a century of pages. I remember it because I was there. The whole point of the thread is to engage with the topic, which a bunch of people immediately didn't.



No, you're not because that's not what the discussion is about. To use a previously used example, if someone doesn't want to discuss certain game systems in their "I'm looking for a new system..." topic and you bring it up, you're not really discussing the topic because the ground rules of the topic included not discussing those systems. I think at a certain level you could just call it "Threadcrapping", where you are just not engaging with the OP in the basic premise (that this needs to be fixed or something should be done) and thus why are you in the topic in the first place?

I think the other thread is borderline abuse of + threads, but that's why I only posted 1 comment. This is not a + thread. It's a thread to discuss whether or not the petition is a good idea at all.

So if anyone is threadcrapping this thread, it's you.

 

[Justice and Rule]

I think the other thread is borderline abuse of + threads, but that's why I only posted 1 comment.

I don't really see it as an abuse given how quickly that whole thread basically got reflexively dogpiled with people who were claiming the OP wanted something they specifically said they didn't. To me, that seems kind of smart given what actually happened.

This is not a + thread. It's a thread to discuss whether or not the petition is a good idea at all.

So if anyone is threadcrapping this thread, it's you.

I mean, by that definition of the thread I very much am not, which is why the topic of the thread is so important to make these sorts of judgements. But if you feel I am, feel free to report me.

 

[JiffyPopTart]

I don't really see it as an abuse given how quickly that whole thread basically got reflexively dogpiled with people who were claiming the OP wanted something they specifically said they didn't. To me, that seems kind of smart given what actually happened.



I mean, by that definition of the thread I very much am not, which is why the topic of the thread is so important to make these sorts of judgements. But if you feel I am, feel free to report me.

Do you realize how many signatures you could have drummed up for the petition you are supporting had you not wasted all of your effort here?

If you think it's important, go fight for the cause.

 

[Justice and Rule]

Do you realize how many signatures you could have drummed up for the petition you are supporting had you not wasted all of your effort here?

If you think it's important, go fight for the cause.

Oh, but I'm enjoying the discussion here. Really, I can do both since this is not like a real-time chat room or something. I was playing Marvel's Spider-Man most of the day.

 

[LordEntrails]

Neither of those is true.

So when I said "Personally I find attempts to revise and hide the past distasteful. "
You are telling me that my personal opinion is not true?

Then when I said "Second, I think spending any time re-writing a legacy product that is sub-par in the first place is a waste of limited resources." Is also untrue?

So let me get this straight, you are saying when I state my own opinion, those opinions are not true? That somehow my opinions are not valid? That I am a liar about what I think?

 

[Justice and Rule]

So when I said "Personally I find attempts to revise and hide the past distasteful. "
You are telling me that my personal opinion is not true?

Well, unless you are declaring that at random, I'd say you were implying that's what the OP wanted to do. Am I wrong in that regard and were you just listing stuff off at random?

Then when I said "Second, I think spending any time re-writing a legacy product that is sub-par in the first place is a waste of limited resources." Is also untrue?

Same as above, really.

So let me get this straight, you are saying when I state my own opinion, those opinions are not true? That somehow my opinions are not valid? That I am a liar about what I think?

So let me get this straight, you're telling me that you just went into that thread to say you didn't like what the OP was doing and then declared these opinions to the rest of the thread, not in reference to the OP but just to state them?

Not gonna lie, bold strategy.

 

[AnotherGuy]

I don't really see it as an abuse given how quickly that whole thread basically got reflexively dogpiled with people who were claiming the OP wanted something they specifically said they didn't. To me, that seems kind of smart given what actually happened.

I think @Deset Gled made an excellent point in the Meta thread about not using +threads for announcements and news.

It is also interesting to note, that the pushback Dungeonosophy has received now both on his petition and instance of using + thread is from many who supported his initial thread about the Gazetteer being of bad taste. All it seems he has done is alienate some of his initial support base.

EDIT: Like I said in my 2nd post in his thread, there was a better (more positive) way of dealing with Gaz10 which would likely have gained him more allies and inspired the community here to work together in a creative way. AND he could have made that thread a +thread with no pushback. All his method would end up doing (if successful) would see the Gaz10 removed from the online store. Mystara fans do not want that. Freedom of Speech advocates do not want that.
As it is - we already lost the Community D&D episode with the drow due to "black face" because the streaming service with the rights to the episode didn't want to deal with it via a disclaimer and thought it was easier to censor it. Whether he wants to censor or not, is irrelevant - his/her petition, if successful, may very well lead to it.

 

[Justice and Rule]

I think @Deset Gled made an excellent point in the Meta thread about not using +threads for announcements and news.

It is also interesting to note, that the pushback Dungeonosophy has received now both on his petition and instance of using + thread is from many who supported his initial thread about the Gazetteer being of bad taste. All it seems he has done is alienate some of his initial support base.

Where is this? Is this part of the Petition Thread Cinematic Universe, or is this one of the TV Shows? Do I need to get a subscription fee to a streaming service to catch up?

 

[AnotherGuy]

Where is this? Is this part of the Petition Thread Cinematic Universe, or is this one of the TV Shows? Do I need to get a subscription fee to a streaming service to catch up?

If you're talking about the post by Deset Gled, here it is.