D&D (2024) New One D&D Playtest Shows Us The New Druid & Paladin

WotC has released the fourth One D&D playtest document. This 29-page PDF includes the druid and the paladin with Circle of the Moon and Oath of Devotion subclasses.

Druid. The Druid class and Circle of the Moon subclass are ready for playtesting here.

Paladin. The Paladin class and Oath of Devotion subclass are ready for playtesting here.

Feats. Several revised feats appear here for your feedback, with more revised feats coming in future articles.

Spells. More spells are ready for playtesting, with a focus on smite spells, Find Familiar, and Find Steed.

Rules Glossary. The rules glossary has been updated again and supersedes the glossary in previous Unearthed Arcana articles. In this document, any underlined term in the body text appears in that glossary, which defines game terms that have been clarified or redefined for this playtest or that don’t appear in the 2014 Player’s Handbook.

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[UngeheuerLich]

I guess it depends on the player. I've never played with anyone who struggled to choose which wild shape to use.

Probably because they were never bothered what the actual stats were, because they just wanted to turn into a specific animal?
Or because they have made themself a list, what CR option is the best and somehow always find RP reasons, why they have encountered this creature at the perfect time to memorize that shape?

*spoiler alert: I have encountered more of the latter than the first one and even find myself tending towards the second, because turning into something with 15hp at level 9 or so will just get you killed...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I guess it depends on the player. I've never played with anyone who struggled to choose which wild shape to use.

Okay, can you play a rolE? can you put yourself into the shoes of someone that isn;t you? if so, and I assume both are yes, since that is what we do... can you read the issues others have and put yourself in THOSE shoes?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

again... but also the conditions, skills, languages, inperation, crits, feats, spells

Crits are back to 2014, inspiration more or less so, spells still mostly the same... It is an upgrade, but still way less than any player options splatbook found in 2e...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Those people would probably say, that 2e dark sun is a different edition, because races and classes and even ability score generation differ way more from standard 2e,

you know it's funny but I played 2e for about 10 years and never once heard that... even as tthe people I knew called the later updated books 3e, no one called any setting a diffrent edition, just a modfication.

maybe it's the lable... you aren't playing 2e, your playing 2e Darksun...

I think that is the issue, we need a lble, and 2014 5e and 20245e MAY end up being it... I just don't see how that is clearer then 5e and 6e or 5e and 5.5

Or skills and powers would be an edition change from 2e, because they are completely changing how skills work and more...

that one I tell everyone that will listen... I had friends (most who stayed with TSR editions of teh game) that called those books 3e

So there really is no common ground to say when it is appropriate to say, something is a whole new edition.

how about when the rules change, we have a lable we can all agree on so we don't argue or confuse?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

how about when the rules change, we have a lable we can all agree on so we don't argue or confuse?

No problem with that. But 6e is so much of a misnomer (as you said, if playser's option is 3e, what is 3e then?), that it is probably better to call it 2024 or revised edition.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Crits are back to 2014, inspiration more or less so, spells still mostly the same... It is an upgrade, but still way less than any player options splatbook found in 2e...

insperation has a new name "Heroic advantage"
we don't know for sure what the crit rules will bve the current playtest has them back but I assume that is to see what we like more...

again just for clairity, 3e and 3.5 had about as much difference as 1 good sized playtest packet

 

[GMforPowergamers]

No problem with that. But 6e is so much of a misnomer (as you said, if playser's option is 3e, what is 3e then?), that it is probably better to call it 2024 or revised edition.

again I don't care what we call it as long as we admit it isn't the same as the 2014 game... We can call it 6e, or 5.5, or anniversary edition, or 5e revised

 

[cranberry]

Okay, can you play a rolE? can you put yourself into the shoes of someone that isn;t you? if so, and I assume both are yes, since that is what we do... can you read the issues others have and put yourself in THOSE shoes?

Yes I can, and I offered a few options to mitigate the issue. I realize that it won't work for everyone.

But a vanilla stat block is an over-correction IMO.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

insperation has a new name "Heroic advantage"
we don't know for sure what the crit rules will bve the current playtest has them back but I assume that is to see what we like more...

again just for clairity, 3e and 3.5 had about as much difference as 1 good sized playtest packet

Not in my books... it totally changed the philosophy from rules light and TotM to battlemap integration (probably to pave the way for VTTs).

And as I said: we don't know the extend of the changes right now. So putting lables other than 1D&D is not a good idea. Lets talk about this in 2 years.

 

[OB1]

I guess it depends on the player. I've never played with anyone who struggled to choose which wild shape to use.

Me either, I've also never played with a druid who consistently outshined the Rogue in scouting/exploration. They did get to shine on occasion because of wild shape, but usually in combination with the rogue. Most importantly, 5e Druids are a FUN part of every party I've seen them a part of.