D&D General Kobold Press Going Down a Dark Road

[Snarf Zagyg]

I’ve got some cachaças here that prove you wrong

There are three grades of cachaças-

First, ya got yer sippin' cachaças.

Next, ya got yer mixin' cachaças for yer caiprinhas.

Finally, ya got yer pure gasoline cachaças, perfect for fuelin' up the car or slamming down yer gullet.

 

[Bolares]

Finally, ya got yer pure gasoline cachaças, perfect for fuelin' up the car or slamming down yer gullet.

You joke, but we have ethanol fuelled cars here, and a tv show once tested if one would run on cachaça... it did, for a brief time.
PS: every cachaça is a mixing cachaça for your caipirinha. You choose by proximity not by type.

 

[teitan]

I wouldn't say 4E required much in the way of system mastery in so much as its upfront tactical design caused a lot of option paralysis from people who just wanted to play something simple. The actual system for 4E was really easy to teach and learn. I'd argue in some ways more easy than 5E. But when you give a list of options every level to a group of players conditioned on being weary of trap options and ivory tower design instead of just choosing what seems fun, it can seem a lot more daunting than it actually is.

Required feats in later books that if you don’t know about them? Yea that’s a problem.

 

[Remathilis]

yeah that is working so well... we discuss if it is or not at least 1 thread a month

Part of the problem is that most people are putting the cart before the horse when they discuss this. To borrow some Aristotelian logic.

1. I do/do not like edition changes
2. I do/do not like what WotC is doing with 1D&D.
3. Therefore, 1D&D is/is not a new edition.

Three is only answered after you decide your stance on 1 & 2. If you hate edition changes and hate what WotC is doing, this is an edition change. If you like seeing edition changes but hate what WotC is doing, this is not an edition change. Etc, etc.

Which makes the argument what 1D&D actually is pretty irrelevant. It's a new edition if that fits your narrative. It's a half-edition if that fits. I think it's fair to say the changes are bigger than simple errata and smaller than the changes from the TSR era to the WotC one, but wherever it falls beyond that is moot.

 

[teitan]

lol, if this is a relevant difference for you, I cannot help you. The decision only changed from ‘are there feats’ to ‘is ASI the only feat’, it is still the DM / group who decides, and nothing about what is being decided has changed.

It is a relevant difference. It’s a massive difference and mocking that difference is asinine. It creates a level of complication for new DMs and a barrier for some DMs in this day and age of players who will call you a bad DM and drag you on social media and other places for not “using all the rules” etc. making finding games harder etc. keeping feats an optional rule and spelled out as EXACTLY that is huge. Turning ASI only into a feat is not a fix. It is a complication and a patch that was unnecessary. It was a needless change. 100% unnecessary except to sell books. Done. End of story. You might like it but it doesn’t make me wrong nor does it make you right.

 

[teitan]

How do you measure “tepid”? It hasn’t seemed tepid at all, to me. Tepid seems like a subjective judgment; I am seeing an extraordinarily high degree of engagement. Curiosity and enthusiasm are related concepts, after all. Folks are clearly interested and engaged enough to preview the materials and give extensive feedback, most of which has apparently been positive.

Tepid meaning the changes aren’t liked. People responding might be liking it, how many people respond vs downloading? What’s the ratio? How many are actually playtesting? In a year after release what class that people rave about now will be 100% not up to par because in actual play it turns out the playtesting was not rigorous by respondents? Ranger I’m looking at you brother.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Part of the problem is that most people are putting the cart before the horse when they discuss this. To borrow some Aristotelian logic.

1. I do/do not like edition changes
2. I do/do not like what WotC is doing with 1D&D.
3. Therefore, 1D&D is/is not a new edition.

Three is only answered after you decide your stance on 1 & 2.

I wont talk about everyone but I have seen plenty of people not line up 1 and 2 but agree on 3... so this seems odd

 

[TwoSix]

yeah that is working so well... we discuss if it is or not at least 1 thread a month

That's just people grumbling. Eventually they'll learn that not talking about "editions" is better for them as they get used to it.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

That's just people grumbling. Eventually they'll learn that not talking about "editions" is better for them as they get used to it.

But what will we war over, TwoSix?

 

[Bolares]

But what will we war over, TwoSix?

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Oh, we will manage to war over something....