D&D General Kobold Press Going Down a Dark Road

[MichaelSomething]

And you'll be better if you go support the companies who share your goals. They're out there if your willing to leave WOTC's lawn and go look.

Right in a "how can we make the most money sense", but I don't believe that should be the highest priority of a game company. I know many disagree.

 

[Maxperson]

40+ all around is 12%

That's not what it says and I see no reason to believe their excuse. A typographical error doesn't typically result in 40-45 instead of 40+ A typographical error is 41-45 instead of 40-45 or 40-55 instead of 40 to 45, or even 40 instead of 40+. You don't often get an entirely wrong range and WotC has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

so 5% being over 45 is possible with the data as presented.

You can assume that, but it's not what the graph shows. Hell, I haven't even seen their excuse about it. I only have your say so that they are claiming an unlikely error as an excuse.

 

[Micah Sweet]

There are movies that are aimed at everyone, they’re called 4 quadrant films.
Avatar would be an example of this.

D&D is the same. Most releases have something for everybody. For example Wild Beyong the Witchlight includes classic characters like Warduke, etc…

5E has done a great job of bringing back players that had left during 3E and 4E as well as bringing in new players, because that was what it was designed to do.

It did do a great job. Speaking personally, it certainly brought me back. I think however that they are doing a less good job of keeping those players in recent years, because they've decided that new players brought in with 5e along with folks they want to add as new players going forward are more important to them than keeping the players they were courting when 5e was released. And, if their priority is to make as much money as possible off the brand (and it seems that it is), that's probably the right move.

It is what it is.

 

[Micah Sweet]

And you'll be better if you go support the companies who share your goals. They're out there if your willing to leave WOTC's lawn and go look.

Oh, I do. I wish you all the best.

 

[John Lloyd1]

Older people don't watch movies?

Apparently. Or at least no where near as much as younger people.

Edited to include quote.

 

[Parmandur]

That's not what it says and I see no reason to believe their excuse. A typographical error doesn't typically result in 40-45 instead of 40+ A typographical error is 41-45 instead of 40-45 or 40-55 instead of 40 to 45, or even 40 instead of 40+. You don't often get an entirely wrong range and WotC has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

You can assume that, but it's not what the graph shows. Hell, I haven't even seen their excuse about it. I only have your say so that they are claiming an unlikely error as an excuse.

Again, in case you miseef it, the demographics for this website skew younger tgan WotC own data. But anyways, here is where Tito apologized for the labeling error:


And here is the updated graphic from when they corrected it:

 

[Maxperson]

Again, in case you miseef it, the demographics for this website skew younger tgan WotC own data. But anyways, here is where Tito apologized for the labeling error:


And here is the updated graphic from when they corrected it:

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Okay. So there's the excuse. I still see no reason to extend to them the benefit of the doubt. They have repeatedly lied to us since the 3e days and the most recent lie was during the screw the 3pp fiasco. What reason do you see for them to be given the benefit of the doubt on this?

 

[Parmandur]

Okay. So there's the excuse. I still see no reason to extend to them the benefit of the doubt. They have repeatedly lied to us since the 3e days and the most recent lie was during the screw the 3pp fiasco. What reason do you see for them to be given the benefit of the doubt on this?

Well, for one thing this was from a presentation to investors, so legallot has to be numbers they can back up. How do you reconcile the demographics for this website skewing even younger than WotC reports...?

 

[mamba]

Neither do you. Neither do any of us. No one's opinion can be taken to represent an entire demographic. But I can say that there are multiple older gamers on both sides of this particular divide.

but if you have them on both sides, then they are not shifting away

 

[mamba]

Yes, perhaps without radically altering and/or gutting them.

so mostly a reprint then… that feels specifically like a ‘you’ problem, I am not sure older gamers had issues with the changes though. I know SJ was not well received, but the issue weren’t the changes, it was how short it was in general, and I am not sure how that is age related at all