D&D (2024) Kobold Press posts 2024 DMG Hit Piece

[Marc Radle]

Sorry - double post

 

[Marc Radle]

Yeah true.
Second best would be reviews. Not previews, mind you.

Tales of the Valiant Game Master's Guide impressions

I already shared this elsewhere, but Kobold Press' GMG table of contents actually got me a little excited- I'm overall positive on TotV, but I primarily use A5E. KP put a preview up on DTRPG, I'll share the preview ToC here since that's what initially got me interested in the book. I think I'm...

www.enworld.org

 

[Doctor Futurity]

There are 100 pages of magic items.

172 to 352 is cosmology, treasure, and bastions which all interest me as an experienced DM.

Regardless of any interpretation on the content, I will state outright I am using the new DMG at the table a lot more than the old DMG, and not just for magic item look up. So is the GMG good? Totally. But the DMG 2024 is also good, albeit for different reasons.

 

[Remathilis]

Welcome! You'll have to try a lot harder than that if you want to make a bad impression.

That's not a challenge, by the way.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

@Waller

I think it would be a good idea to append an update to your thread starter, given Kobold Press did the right thing.

@Marc Radle posted their statement in this comment-

D&D (2024) - Kobold Press posts 2024 DMG Hit Piece

If you have a negative opinion of something then it is offensive to you, that's what the word means. You don't need to be angered, outraged, or have any emotional response to be offended. At the risk of derailing another thread into arguing about definitions, that is not what being offended means.

www.enworld.org

And you can go directly there as well-

A Statement on Comparisons from Kobold Press

We’ve been tuned into our fans and supporters’ discussions regarding comparisons we've made, and we hear you.

koboldpress.com

I think when companies listen to their customers, it's a good thing. So it would be great (since the thread is active, and people will keep reading the first comment) to have an update at the end with the current state of affairs.

 

[Clint_L]

I don't love the article that KP put out, but they've since apologized and changed course. As well, let's not forget the underlying power dynamic here: WotC/Hasbro has basically all of it in the TTRPG sphere, so I don't think KP did much if any actual harm, except potentially to themselves.

So let's take their retraction in good faith. Talented people work at KP, and IMO they make stuff that is well worth supporting. Even if you only play D&D, you can buy some of their stuff through DnDBeyond. I have their Tome of Beasts on DDB, and I highly recommend!

 

[Jahydin]

@Waller
Thanks so much for posting this. I've noticed it too and am glad to see some push back finally.

 

[Oofta]

@Waller

I think it would be a good idea to append an update to your thread starter, given Kobold Press did the right thing.

@Marc Radle posted their statement in this comment-

D&D (2024) - Kobold Press posts 2024 DMG Hit Piece

If you have a negative opinion of something then it is offensive to you, that's what the word means. You don't need to be angered, outraged, or have any emotional response to be offended. At the risk of derailing another thread into arguing about definitions, that is not what being offended means.

www.enworld.org

And you can go directly there as well-

A Statement on Comparisons from Kobold Press

We’ve been tuned into our fans and supporters’ discussions regarding comparisons we've made, and we hear you.

koboldpress.com

I think when companies listen to their customers, it's a good thing. So it would be great (since the thread is active, and people will keep reading the first comment) to have an update at the end with the current state of affairs.

But if it were a good thing when companies listen to their customers, people may have to admit that the fact that WotC backed off the proposed OGL change in response to feedback was a good thing as well. We can't have that!

 

[mamba]

But if it were a good thing when companies listen to their customers, people may have to admit that the fact that WotC backed off the proposed OGL change in response to feedback was a good thing as well. We can't have that!

people have been admitting that. The only question is whether that is enough to forget and forgive or whether they still are upset about it happening at all, and both are ok

 

[Chaosmancer]

I understand, but not everyone uses a content producer's behavior to determine whether or not to buy their product, but instead bases that decision on whether or they like and find useful the product itself. There's also a spectrum for this sort of thing, and you can't expect everyone to have the same line you have, and there's nothing wrong with having a different line.

Is that why every threat about WoTC has people reminding us that a WoTC manager called his personal contact at the Pinkertons that one time? And the OGL thing almost happened? And that WoTC fires people? And that that one artist used AI to create concept art for their piece in the Giant's book? Oh, and they said that DnD wasn't monetized as much as they wanted in that one shareholder meeting. Does that all happen because people are largely judging WoTC on the quality of their products and nothing else?

I find it kind of strange that you have spent so much of this thread telling people they shouldn't judge Kobold Press for their corporate actions, yet I have never once seen you say the same thing about WoTC being judged for theirs.